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Old 03-13-2007, 11:21 PM
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My current pastor believes that women should have uncut hair. I don't know if he's ok with it or not, but if my hair bothered him that bad, then he's got more problems than I have.

I'm sure my next pastor feels the same, but again, if he has a problem with my hair, the same applies to him.

I would rather focus on what's more important.

There is another reason why I keep mine like I do, but there are those who would feel I'm just making excuses. If they only knew........
If that is the teaching of your church and pastor and you refuse to obey, you don't feel you are in rebellion ?

don't you know that is the mainstream teaching in the UPC ???
why be apart of a church that basically believes you are lost ?

why do you believe it's okay to cut your hair ?? what about I cor 11 ?
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Old 03-13-2007, 11:29 PM
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If that is the teaching of your church and pastor and you refuse to obey, you don't feel you are in rebellion ?

don't you know that is the mainstream teaching in the UPC ???
why be apart of a church that basically believes you are lost ?

why do you believe it's okay to cut your hair ?? what about I cor 11 ?
I don't feel I'm in rebellion, no. He's never told me not to cut my hair. If he does, he'll have to show scripture for telling me that, but I'm not worried....he'd never say anything to me about it, even by implication over the pulpit.

I am aware that it's part of the mainstream teaching, as I was raised in the UPC. I don't believe my pastor sees me as lost for cutting my hair. I've never felt that from him at all.

I don't see any Biblical teaching against women cutting their hair, therefore, I am able to make my own decision concerning what's on my body. I used to believe and 'preach' the doctrine, and did so even on the internet for a couple years until someone challenged me to actually read what I was quoting....come to find out, nothing I was saying was in the Bible as I claimed.

I had to do a lot of soul searching at that point, and also did a lot of studying. Around this time, I was introduced to the GNC and learned a lot there. I soon became a member of FCF and learned even more. I continue to learn, but so far, the teaching I was raised with concerning hair have I ever found anywhere in the Bible, even though my pastor said it was there. I found out a lot of things he claimed were in there really aren't.
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:03 AM
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I don't feel I'm in rebellion, no. He's never told me not to cut my hair. If he does, he'll have to show scripture for telling me that, but I'm not worried....he'd never say anything to me about it, even by implication over the pulpit.

I am aware that it's part of the mainstream teaching, as I was raised in the UPC. I don't believe my pastor sees me as lost for cutting my hair. I've never felt that from him at all.

I don't see any Biblical teaching against women cutting their hair, therefore, I am able to make my own decision concerning what's on my body. I used to believe and 'preach' the doctrine, and did so even on the internet for a couple years until someone challenged me to actually read what I was quoting....come to find out, nothing I was saying was in the Bible as I claimed.

I had to do a lot of soul searching at that point, and also did a lot of studying. Around this time, I was introduced to the GNC and learned a lot there. I soon became a member of FCF and learned even more. I continue to learn, but so far, the teaching I was raised with concerning hair have I ever found anywhere in the Bible, even though my pastor said it was there. I found out a lot of things he claimed were in there really aren't.
Let's just set the hair Issue a side for just a second-Don't you think that somethings we have to do out of obedience even if we don't understand it ? God told noah to build an ark. I'm sure noah wasn't given every detail and all the reasons but he did it out of obedience. same thing with Abraham when he took his son to be sacrificed. I believe we are called to trust and obey. we may not always understand all the "Whys" however we often come to an understanding years later. I remember growing up and asking my dad WHY WHY WHY to everything!! it use to drive him nuts ! many things I thought I was smarter and wiser. now of course , as a grown man i see HE was right even though he sometime told to Shut up and just DO IT ! lol
Does your pastor have to come right out and tell you personally not to do it even though you said your pastor said it was in the word ? Do you have more trust in your private interputations and internet friends then the spiritual leader that is over you ???

how did you come to the conclusion that Cutting your hair was alright after believing for so long that it was wrong? If it's okay for a woman to have short hair then I assume that is okay for a Man to have long hair No? the bible says it's a shame for a man to have long hair and that the woman's hair is her glory. so if he created male and female it's obvious that he has distinguished a difference don't you think?

look at the recent incident with Britney spears. even the world Knew that it was not natural for her to shave her hair off. now I'm not saying that is what you and other women do but you do not believe it is against God. I believe it's also against nature
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Old 03-14-2007, 03:22 AM
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Let's just set the hair Issue a side for just a second-Don't you think that somethings we have to do out of obedience even if we don't understand it ? God told noah to build an ark. I'm sure noah wasn't given every detail and all the reasons but he did it out of obedience. same thing with Abraham when he took his son to be sacrificed. I believe we are called to trust and obey. we may not always understand all the "Whys" however we often come to an understanding years later. I remember growing up and asking my dad WHY WHY WHY to everything!! it use to drive him nuts ! many things I thought I was smarter and wiser. now of course , as a grown man i see HE was right even though he sometime told to Shut up and just DO IT ! lol
I understand what you are saying, but in the above examples, it was God telling them, not a man. If God were to tell me, I would obey.

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Does your pastor have to come right out and tell you personally not to do it even though you said your pastor said it was in the word ? Do you have more trust in your private interputations and internet friends then the spiritual leader that is over you ???
My pastor believes it's Bible, but has never preached it. I don't have more trust, but I do trust God over man. If man says God said it, then it will be in God's word.

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how did you come to the conclusion that Cutting your hair was alright after believing for so long that it was wrong?
Because I found out it wasn't in the Bible as I was taught for several years.

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If it's okay for a woman to have short hair then I assume that is okay for a Man to have long hair No?
Who said it was ok for women to have short hair? The Bible says nothing of short hair. Only says that women should have long hair, and men shouldn't have long hair. If long means uncut, what is opposite? Cut, right? Therefore, the opposite of long in that passage, according to uncut hair doctrine folks isn't short, but cut.

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the bible says it's a shame for a man to have long hair and that the woman's hair is her glory. so if he created male and female it's obvious that he has distinguished a difference don't you think?
So, tell me, based on my picture, would you or any other Christian man have my hairstyle, including length?

However, God never distinguished men and women by hair. God doesn't go against His word, so if men having long, even uncut hair was a sin, why the Nazarite vow, and where is the exception in scripture? This is why I believe Paul was speaking a cultural issue, not a universal one. Paul himself even had long hair at least once, post 'seeing the light'.

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look at the recent incident with Britney spears. even the world Knew that it was not natural for her to shave her hair off. now I'm not saying that is what you and other women do but you do not believe it is against God. I believe it's also against nature
Only in this culture. In some cultures, women shaving their heads is completely acceptable.

I once had my head shaved. I wore a bandanna or hat for about four months until it was long enough to perm. However, if I were a black woman, I would have been fine after about a month. Why? Because in their culture, nobody looks twice at a black woman with short hair, even extremely short. White women, yes. This is why people like Brittney get so much attention, yet Shari whatshername (it's late and I can't think) can have hardly any hair and nobody bats an eye.
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If that is the teaching of your church and pastor and you refuse to obey, you don't feel you are in rebellion ?

don't you know that is the mainstream teaching in the UPC ???
why be apart of a church that basically believes you are lost ?

why do you believe it's okay to cut your hair ?? what about I cor 11 ?
I cut my hair, I attend a UPC church and I don't feel that I'm in rebellion.

My pastor has stated many times that our relationship with God is what is important and he's not going to be checking up on us. His job is to preach the Word, not police us. If I keep my heart right with God, I am in not in rebellion.
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