It's Either You or Me

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Not sure I am getting your point.



Jesus plainly stated that the old way was to love the neighbors, and hate the enemy.

But the new and living way was to not only love the neighbor, but love the enemy too. And even go further by demonstrating that love in blessing the one cursing you, doing good to the one hating you, and praying for the one despitefully using and persecuting you.

You forgot shooting the one that breaks into your home and tries to rape your wife.

That's not in there?

Oh you mean he didn't address that situation?

What to do?

BANG BANG BANG too late now you should have spoke up sooner.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

You forgot shooting the one that breaks into your home and tries to rape your wife.

That's not in there?

Oh you mean he didn't address that situation?

What to do?

BANG BANG BANG too late now you should have spoke up sooner.

I would say it is pretty well covered in LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. If you can't see that, then I could post my fingers to the bones and all I would get would be bony fingers.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I would say it is pretty well covered in LOVE YOUR ENEMIES. If you can't see that, then I could post my fingers to the bones and all I would get would be bony fingers.

All kidding aside, I don't think love your enemies has anything to do with defending yourself or your family.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

All kidding aside, I don't think love your enemies has anything to do with defending yourself or your family.

It doesn't, Baron, and they know that.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Baron1710

All kidding aside, I don't think love your enemies has anything to do with defending yourself or your family.

Originally Posted by Rico

It doesn't, Baron, and they know that.

I don't think defending your family has been the disagreement here. The disagreement is that some of us do not believe you can blow someones head off while defending your family, and fulfill the scripture that commands us to love our enemy. One contradicts the other.

[Old Paths]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I don't think defending your family has been the disagreement here. The disagreement is that some of us do not believe you can blow someones head off while defending your family, and fulfill the scripture that commands us to love our enemy. One contradicts the other.

Bro. Matt, you are sooooooooooo RIGHT.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I don't think defending your family has been the disagreement here. The disagreement is that some of us do not believe you can blow someones head off while defending your family, and fulfill the scripture that commands us to love our enemy. One contradicts the other.

Brother, the use of deadly force in defending one's family is not an issue that is specifically addressed in the NT. You are equating loving your enemies to include not defending one's family to the point of killing the perpetrator. I love my enemies and even gave you an example of such. I have more, if you need them.

I do not, however, love my enemies more than I love my family, plain and simple. My responsibility as a husband and father includes defending them to the death, whether that means my death or the one who makes the mistake of attacking me and my family. We are not talking about going off half-cocked and blowing someone's head off for picking on one of my kids or making inappropriate comments towards my wife. We are talking about the life of my family being in danger.

The Bible teaches that a man will reap what he sows. It also teaches that one who lives by the sword will die by the sword and that with the measure a man metes he will also be judged by. That holds true for criminals as well. If one thinks it wholly appropriate to break into the home of a God fearing gun toting Christian and loses his life because of it, then he has reaped the seeds of violence that he's sown, died by the sword he chose to live by, and received the judgement he deserved for not respecting the life of the wrong person. You can not chuck the principles of justice found in the Word in favor of another principle that teaches to love your enemies. You are incorrectly applying the principle to the situation that is being described.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother, the use of deadly force in defending one's family is not an issue that is specifically addressed in the NT. You are equating loving your enemies to include not defending one's family to the point of killing the perpetrator. I love my enemies and even gave you an example of such. I have more, if you need them.

I do not, however, love my enemies more than I love my family, plain and simple. My responsibility as a husband and father includes defending them to the death, whether that means my death or the one who makes the mistake of attacking me and my family. We are not talking about going off half-cocked and blowing someone's head off for picking on one of my kids or making inappropriate comments towards my wife. We are talking about the life of my family being in danger.

The Bible teaches that a man will reap what he sows. It also teaches that one who lives by the sword will die by the sword and that with the measure a man metes he will also be judged by. That holds true for criminals as well. If one thinks it wholly appropriate to break into the home of a God fearing gun toting Christian and loses his life because of it, then he has reaped the seeds of violence that he's sown, died by the sword he chose to live by, and received the judgement he deserved for not respecting the life of the wrong person. You can not chuck the principles of justice found in the Word in favor of another principle that teaches to love your enemies. You are incorrectly applying the principle to the situation that is being described.

No I am not incorrectly applying the principle. Jesus very plainly stated that we are to love our enemies. Is the robber that comes into your home with the intent to do harm an enemy??