~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

If baptism is irrelevant to salvation, then Jesus is a liar!

Mark 16:16

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned

Obedience comes after believing!

We agree here. Obedience does come after believing-- but it is the believing that brings one to salvation. Peter, Philip, and Paul preached believing and salvation and baptized those who had believed to salvation.

Jesus wasn't teaching a two part salvation plan here. If that was His intent, then He would have included those who are baptized but do not believe. This happens, and when it does, these folks are just wet and not not converted.

[1Corinth2v4]

Originally Posted by 1399

Jesus wasn't teaching a two part salvation plan here. If that was His intent, then He would have included those who are baptized but do not believe. This happens, and when it does, these folks are just wet and not not converted.

Please elaborate on this, I'm not sure I'm understanding you.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by 1Corinth2v4

Please elaborate on this, I'm not sure I'm understanding you.

If some one decides out of their emotions to at that moment to be baptized, that does not mean that they have truly repented of their sins.

My Dad used to talk about them: "They go down dry devils and come up wet devils."


So Jesus is not preaching a two step salvation in Mark 16. If one believes they will be baptized. When you take the rest of the scriptures in the Bible that talk about salvation and baptism, you will see that the Apostles connected faith and salvation-- while baptizing those who had already become believers.

Outside of faith in Jesus Christ, there is no salvation. The Holy Ghost baptism is the Promise from the Father for all those who believe.