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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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Originally Posted by 1399
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When I read this account, the jailer was told to, "Believe in the Lord Jesus" for salvation. The jailer believed and was baptized because that is what believers do. But his salvation is hinged on, according to Paul, believing.
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If baptism is irrelevant to salvation, then Jesus is a liar!
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
Obedience comes after believing!
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07-21-2008, 07:52 PM
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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As far all I know and read from the Bible, yes.
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Can you post the scriptures that lead you to believe yes?
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07-21-2008, 08:00 PM
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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If baptism is irrelevant to salvation, then Jesus is a liar!
Mark 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned
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We agree here. Obedience does come after believing-- but it is the believing that brings one to salvation. Peter, Philip, and Paul preached believing and salvation and baptized those who had believed to salvation.
Jesus wasn't teaching a two part salvation plan here. If that was His intent, then He would have included those who are baptized but do not believe. This happens, and when it does, these folks are just wet and not not converted.
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07-21-2008, 08:05 PM
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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One of the admins is messing with my post and I really don't appreciate that. Probably a one-stepper admin that has been proven wrong!
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-21-2008, 08:05 PM
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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Originally Posted by 1399
Jesus wasn't teaching a two part salvation plan here. If that was His intent, then He would have included those who are baptized but do not believe. This happens, and when it does, these folks are just wet and not not converted.
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Please elaborate on this, I'm not sure I'm understanding you.
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07-21-2008, 08:06 PM
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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Acts 8
5) Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them.
12) But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.
13) Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
It's disturbing that Simon the Sorcerer (witch) understood salvation, yet a one-stepper can't comprehend it. Perhaps they would understand if they converted to a wicca? 
The scripture reads Simon preached "Jesus" and "things concerning the kingdom of God", and then the crowds and Simon were baptized.
Water baptism is always accompanied when preaching "Jesus" and "things concerning the kingdom of God", just as it was plainly illustrated by Philip in Samaria.
kinda strange you one-steppers don't see baptism equally important as repentance. If baptism is qualified as "a thing" concerning the kingdom, and part of preaching "Jesus", you're two steps near salvation.
So much for just believing after repentance that you're saved! What a bunch of hogwash!
If you're preaching the same gospel Philip preached, Jesus name water baptism is always mandatory after the those hearing have believed.
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No, what is disturbing is that you would misrepresent brethren in a thread like this. 
That Christ has finished the work on the cross, and confirmed it through His Holy Spirit in the heart of the penitent believer, no way and no how makes baptism unimportant or optional.
It is a clear command from the Saviour Himself, how could anyone refuse it if the hear His word and Love Him?
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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According to the Logs this thread is unedited by any admin
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Then is must have been the Devil! Thanks for the reassurance.
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07-21-2008, 08:07 PM
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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No, what is disturbing is that you would misrepresent brethren in a thread like this.
That Christ has finished the work on the cross, and confirmed it through His Holy Spirit in the heart of the penitent believer, no way and no how makes baptism unimportant or optional.
It is a clear command from the Saviour Himself, how could anyone refuse it if the hear His word and Love Him? |
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07-21-2008, 08:07 PM
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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Then is must have been the Devil! Thanks for the reassurance.
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Or human error
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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Re: ~Simon the Sorcerer & One-Steppers~
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Or human error
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I..........error.........is that possible.......? 
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