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When did Peter get converted? Acts 2.
Now AFTER Peter got converted, he could preach the following...
Act 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;
Peter said repent AND be converted - what he was saying was what Jesus told him to preach in Luke 24:47 and Acts 2:38 - repent and be born again - born of the water and Spirit - be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and be baptized in the Holy Ghost - be converted.
Repenting and being converted INCLUDES having your sins being blotted out or washed away.
Let's look at that word CONVERTED...
Conversion - Act 15:3 And being brought on their way by the church, they passed through Phenice and Samaria, declaring the conversion of the Gentiles: and they caused great joy unto all the brethren.
Where did the conversion of the Gentiles take place? What did it include? The conversion of the Gentiles took place in Acts 10 onward. What did the conversion of the Gentiles in Acts 10 include? Baptism in the Holy Ghost and baptism in water in the name of the Lord.
Act 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Savior, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Act 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
In the context of salvation to Israel, God has given them repentance and remission of sins - compare with Luke 24:47, which was fulfilled in Acts 2:38. And those who have obeyed God in Him giving repentance and remission of sins, God has given the Holy Ghost. Those who will obey Acts 2:38 to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, God will cause them to receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Compare that to Acts 2:38.
Heb 10:15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Heb 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
Heb 10:17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.
The promise of the New Covenant includes having his laws written in our hearts and minds - what does that? - the Holy Ghost - what else is included in the new covenant? - the remission of sins and iniquities - and we know by other scriptures that remission of sins comes from repentance and being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ and we get his laws written in our hearts and minds by the Holy Ghost
I sometimes wonder if some bring up these threads just so those who don't believe can see the teaching from the word by responses to these threads; or if "Apostolics" are really questioning the salvation plan? Or if some are just wasting time on questions wherein their really is no profit because the answer is already given in black and white in the scriptures or are "unlearned questions"?
Most apostolics who have grown to a certain level of maturity through desiring the sincere milk of the word, already have been taught knowledge and have been caused to understand doctrine. Since they have knowledge and can understand doctrine, they are able to teach others.
Those "apostolics" who are otherwise or contrary, I wonder about?
Has somethings stunted their growth? Are they getting good healthy food? Is something wrong with the environment where they have been planted? Is the husbandman who is supposed to be looking after the trees and keeping them healthy and making sure they grow not fulfilling his responsibilities? Does he care or is he just a hireling out to get his hire?
Sometimes I wonder. Does anyone else wonder, or is it just me?
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Questioning basic foundational principles of the doctrine of Christ? I notice in the above that repentance from dead works is a separate doctrine from baptisms - plural. Turning away from dead works and baptisms - plural - one of which is for the remission of sins. Perhaps we see 2 purposes here - repentance is for the turning away or a change in direction from or a 180 degree turn away from dead works or sin and water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ is for the remission or washing away of one's past sins.
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Once again we find another myth being perpetuated by the 3 step Water and Spirit crowd playing with KJV words that don't mean what they want them to mean .... this time the word is "converted"
Faulty assumptions do not sound doctrine make:
1. We must accept converted in it's present English "church" meaning to mean and look like the writer believes salvation to be .... in this case adding baptism to the New Birth.
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Acts 3:19 presents a HUGE DILEMMA when it's properly placed in the context of an Apostle who clearly states that our sins are blotted out when we repent and turn to God ...
Which brings the most important reason why your discussion on conversion is blatantly and patently FALSE in light of the Word ....
Paul never said "converted" as you dictate it to mean ...
Since you suggested we look at it ... Let's look at it in the original Greek:
Epistrepho
- transitively
- to turn to
- to the worship of the true God
- to cause to return, to bring back
- to the love and obedience of God
- to the love for the children
- to love wisdom and righteousness
- intransitively
- to turn to one's self
- to turn one's self about, turn back
- to return, turn back, come back
Other reliable translations of this verse put this word into action as follows:
International Standard Version (©2008)
Therefore,
repent and turn to him to have your sins blotted out,
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"Therefore
repent and return,
so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord;
American Standard Version
Repent ye therefore, and
turn again, that your sins may be blotted out, that so there may come seasons of refreshing from the presence of the Lord;
New International Version
19
Repent, then, and turn to God,
so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,
You see here have the preacher in
Acts 2:38 preaching that repentance is for forgiveness/remission of sins ... our sins forgiven, pardoned and wiped out sans the other requirements you "forced" in his words.
Now if you believe that repentance is a turning away ...
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repentance is for the turning away or a change in direction from or a 180 degree turn away from dead works
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and Peter says that this results in the wiping away of sin .... in
Acts 3:19 ... which in turn would add context to
Acts 2:38 ...
and yet you believe this does not happen until a properly administered baptism is performed and glossolalia is evident for "conversion" or turning
then the question must be asked:
How on earth do you add to the Word of God and the teaching of an Apostle when there are clear repercussions in His Word for doing so?
I wonder myself about "apostolics", especially ministers, who throw around God's Word so flippantly. Are they stunted? Are they stuck in false doctrine? Why do you confuse the fruit with the root?
Lastly you make Jesus a liar if you say Peter was not fully saved ... "converted" as you deem it ... if he told his disciples their names were written the Book of Life, pre-Pentecost (
Luke 10:20)
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