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Old 10-16-2008, 03:16 PM
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There is a difference between being forgiven and reconciliation, of course we need to forgive him to keep ourelves right, but it seems from his denials that he is not in a state of repentance thus there is no reconcliation possible, even the Lord himself can't forgive an unconfessed sin.

He that covers his sin shall not prosper, but he that confesses and forsakes shall have mercy.
Thank you for this post. You have shed light on some important thoughts. Forgiveness does not help the wicked one but brings peace to the victim. I have heard the same report as you and I agree. How can anyone possibly reconcile to a child molester who is living in denial?
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:17 PM
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There is a difference between being forgiven and reconciliation, of course we need to forgive him to keep ourelves right, but it seems from his denials that he is not in a state of repentance thus there is no reconcliation possible, even the Lord himself can't forgive an unconfessed sin.

He that covers his sin shall not prosper, but he that confesses and forsakes shall have mercy.
You're right about all of that. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. But you still have to lead him to water if possible. You don't shoot him in the head out of hand as it seems like some are want to do. Threatening his life and wishing physical harm to him does not lead toward reconciliation. Paul even when he turned people over to Satan did so with the goal of reconciling them sto God. Justice will be done here, and it appears rightfully so. He has not propered, he got caught and is probably going to be punished for what he is accused to have done so the Scripture is true. But it seems so often Christians get too emotional about these things and begin crucifying people instead of trying to be like Christ who was able to turn away the accusers of the woman caught in adultery and brought her to faith by his love and spirit of reconciliation. It was his mercy and grace toward her that seems to have caused her to repent. If we don't show love and kindness then who will? The law? The press? The unbelieving community? By showing love and kindness to somebody we are not condoning what they did, nor are we denying the horror of what they did, nor does that mean we cannot feel negative emotion toward them. But have to move past all that and make the decision to behave in a Christ like way toward them in spite of their sin, as much as they will let us.
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Old 10-16-2008, 03:35 PM
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If u say so.

Ya'll may want to read I John 3 and 4.
Yes I do say so.
(And I dont see what's so funny.)

Yes I do believe that overall, the issue has been handled respectfully here. Nobody here wishes this man any ill will.

The issue has discussed from different angles...

Some of course have expressed outrage over what took place (an outrage I think we all feel) but not in a condemning manner toward the man. I think we all want him to get his act together before God. People have expressed concern for the man's family, and for the kids involved. And some have raised the question of discernment level in our churches that causes this type of thing to happen. These I think are valid discussions, although perhaps you disagree.

But I dont see that the issue has been dealt with in a salacious or gossip-like manner, the way some seemed to be claiming. So I stand by my statement.
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Ya'll may want to read I John 3 and 4.
Well thanks (I think) for that scripture passage, AP.

But...no need to speak cryptically, sir. We're all grown-ups here, so you can speak plainly ... what specifically do you want us to apply from that passage there you've mentioned?

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Old 10-16-2008, 03:42 PM
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Yes I do say so.
(And I dont see what's so funny.)

Yes I do believe that overall, the issue has been handled respectfully here. Nobody here wishes this man any ill will.

The issue has discussed from different angles...

Some of course have expressed outrage over what took place (an outrage I think we all feel) but not in a condemning manner toward the man. I think we all want him to get his act together before God. People have expressed concern for the man's his family, and especially the kids involved. And some have raised the question of discernment level in our churches that causes this type of thing to happen. These I think are valid discussions, although maybe you disagree.

But I dont see that the issue has been dealt with in a salacious or gossip-like manner, the way some seemed to be claiming. So I stand by my statement.

No need to speak cryptically, sir. We're all grown-ups here. You can speak plainly .. what specifically do you want us to apply from that passage you mentioned?
I dunno brother, perhaps you should go back and read where people wished physical harm on the guy. That doesn't sound respectful to me and it sure sounds like ill will is being projected onto the guy.

Regarding I John, it would seem obvious what is applicable when we're talking about the love of Christ.
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Old 10-16-2008, 09:18 PM
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I dunno brother, perhaps you should go back and read where people wished physical harm on the guy. That doesn't sound respectful to me and it sure sounds like ill will is being projected onto the guy.

Regarding I John, it would seem obvious what is applicable when we're talking about the love of Christ.
I dunno AP, maybe your tone just comes across to me being a bit "holier-than-thou". As much as you want to toss scripture at us about the love of Christ, maybe you should find a few scriptures yourself about prejudging your brother unfairly... or about speaking too hastily.

You can portray things in the worst possible light if you want to... and maybe a lot of this will come down to perception, but if you pay attention to what I said.. I said "overwhelmingly", and "overall" the issue has been handled respectfully. In other words, the majority, not necessarily all. I said the majority of the posts have been respectful (even the ones that express anger about the situation that's occurred).
You can mock all you want to ("")... but if you were to look at the posts on the thread, you'd find that to be the case. If you're telling me that the majority of the threads have been disrespectful or unkind, then I don't know what thread you're reading.

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I dunno brother, perhaps you should go back and read where...
I did read all the posts...every one. Maybe you should go back and read them again yourself, since you are clearly misrepresenting the meaning of some of those previous posts.
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.....where people wished physical harm on the guy.
That is simply not true. Nowhere did anyone here wish any physical harm on the man, so please at least get the facts right.

I clearly see where you misunderstood Theresa's comments HERE as being directed toward this pastor, when she was simply saying what she would do if it were her child involved in this. (She clarified her comment HERE in responding to your question about it). Her comment was clearly hypothetical, and not directed toward this man in this specific situation.

You also mistook George's comments where he expressed what he would do if it were his dad that committed this crime against his child. If you look at what he said HERE, HERE, and HERE, he is clearly talking about how he would handle something like that in his own family situation. Again, his comment was NOT directed toward this particular pastor. (You're just taking stuff way out of context here.)

So if you take these people for what they said, and not insert a meaning into it that's not there....No-one "wished physical harm on the guy" sd you're claiming. They were simply expressing how they'd react if it were their son or father involved. Don't twist people's meanings to suit what you think they said.
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....sure sounds like ill will is being projected onto the guy.
Nah. The only thing I see being projected is you projecting your opinon or perception of things into the meaning of people's posts. i.e. criticizing people for saying things they didnt say or mean, based on your misinterpreting ther words.
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If you disagree with certain individual posts, fine. Address those individual posts... but dont condemn the entire discussion just because you dont like the topic! In doing so, (and throwing scriptures in peoples' faces) perhaps your tone just may come across as being a wee bit snide, and holier-than-thou.
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And if you're implying that people here have NOT spoken with concern and/or the love of Christ, maybe you missed this post, and this, and this.
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However, based on your comments in this post, particulary this part at the end:
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....always mindful that next time it could be us being ground up as grist in the rumor mill. ask me how i know.
...I get the impression that you have some personal reason why this type of thread resonates negatively with you, something from the past, perhaps. Perhaps your judgment is clouded by this, since you've chosen to paint this thread with a broad brush of negativity from the very beginning. You seem to be seeing what you want to see, and NOT seeing the things that don't line up with your preconceived idea that people here are being unloving and unChristlike.

Perhaps you're too emotionally invested in this issue to see things clearly and/or objectively.
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Thank you, TR, for making clear what I have said. I do not wish any harm on this particular pastor but it would take a HUGE amount of God to control me if I found out my dad had molested my daughter.
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Thank you, TR, for making clear what I have said. I do not wish any harm on this particular pastor but it would take a HUGE amount of God to control me if I found out my dad had molested my daughter.
No problem George. I just really hate to see people being given a hard time by folks who don't take the time to properly read and understand their posts.

Folks need to read other peoples' posts fully and carefully before they go shaking their righteous finger in other peoples' faces.
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SweetPea,

I agree with RevRandy and others who have pointed out that this is NOT gossip but fact. That it is something that does not need to be swept under the rug in Pentecost or any other group.

I understand your fears that the subject can be mishandled but I just read through this thread and have not found inappropriate responses to this tragic news story.

I believe scriptures about not gossiping are not appropriate to this situation and that scripture clearly calls for accountibility. Part of that accountibility in the 21st century is for sobering news like this to be shared within the Christian family so all can pray for the victims, take measure of ourselves, and understand that the church is not immune from this kind of abuse and we must all be on guard for our church, family, and friends.
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