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Old 12-01-2008, 03:55 PM
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I have neither the time nor the inclination to be lectured about others hurts in this venue. Yes, people have been hurt. But to really heal one has to realize many wounds are also self-inflicted. But you will rarely hear any of these folks admit to the errors they made that aggravated the situation.


And you have to want to be healed in order to be healed. When one continually comes back to pointing out the hurts they suffered and the failing they have seen, then yes, I believe they are thriving on such things. They cannot live without the being able to point to the scars of being wounded. I would rather point to the scars of healing. Just me, I reckon.

Sometimes, the wounds are too deep to simply glance over with a quck cliche.

Although I agree that hurting people often aggravate their own pain, I know personally that it is healthy to find an outlet to express the hurt and pain.

The hurting has to be able to separate their past hurt from their current reality-- resisting the impulse to lash out at others who had nothing to do with the offense.


Those who have hurting people around them should listen to the hurting, looking for the opportunity to help the hurting to heal.

If one is not interested in helping the hurting to heal, then the could be helper's heart is not right.
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Old 12-01-2008, 04:00 PM
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Sometimes, the wounds are too deep to simply glance over with a quck cliche.

Although I agree that hurting people often aggravate their own pain, I know personally that it is healthy to find an outlet to express the hurt and pain.

The hurting has to be able to separate their past hurt from their current reality-- resisting the impulse to lash out at others who had nothing to do with the offense.


Those who have hurting people around them should listen to the hurting, looking for the opportunity to help the hurting to heal.

If one is not interested in helping the hurting to heal, then the could be helper's heart is not right.
I dont mind it when hurting people deal with their pain.oo in fact i think that is a good thing (we may disagree on how to deal...)

but what I find is often hurting people need to have someone focus them on their own pain.

far too often hurting people either think everyone else is hurting just like them or everyone out there is an abuser/
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Old 12-01-2008, 04:02 PM
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I dont mind it when hurting people deal with their pain.oo in fact i think that is a good thing (we may disagree on how to deal...)

but what I find is often hurting people need to have someone focus them on their own pain.

far too often hurting people either think everyone else is hurting just like them or everyone out there is an abuser/


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Old 12-01-2008, 04:13 PM
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I dont mind it when hurting people deal with their pain.oo in fact i think that is a good thing (we may disagree on how to deal...)

but what I find is often hurting people need to have someone focus them on their own pain.

far too often hurting people either think everyone else is hurting just like them or everyone out there is an abuser/


The hurting has to be able to separate their past hurt from their current reality-- resisting the impulse to lash out at others who had nothing to do with the offense.


I have had to learn that.

Same thing when it comes to trust violations-- though it is much more difficult to trust again when your trust has been deeply violated.

A "Church" environment is definitely a place where a person's trust can be deeply violated. This is the one place where you should be able to go and not be taken advantage of.

Unfortunately, this is EXACTLY what happens and it should not happen at all among folks who "have the truth", you know folks who are "really saved" and are "really going to Heaven" and not "deceived" like all of the rest of Christendom.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:27 AM
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I dont mind it when hurting people deal with their pain.oo in fact i think that is a good thing (we may disagree on how to deal...)

but what I find is often hurting people need to have someone focus them on their own pain.

far too often hurting people either think everyone else is hurting just like them or everyone out there is an abuser/
... its worth repeating.
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:45 AM
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I know a pastor (UPCI) that went broke trying to keep his church floating financially. He turned in his license because he couldn't afford to pay the fee. When he wanted to get his license back, after he got on his feet financially, the district he was in was like - "No can do. Your credit is shot." LOL! WUT?!!

Another District saw how ridiculous that was and got him his license back. Now, God is blessing and he is being used of God to heal a broken and hurt church.

He said he was hurt, but knows that God is greater and he still loves many elements of the organization. You see? He didn't have to leave. He just allowed God to take his situation and turn it around for his good. Was it his faith or was it just the Will of God for his life?
Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

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Old 12-02-2008, 11:50 AM
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Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

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See? You didn't focus on the end of the story? That's why I don't like posting experiences. LOL!
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Old 12-02-2008, 11:52 AM
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Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

Vewy intwesting.
There is a question on the UPC license application that asks if the applicant has ever filed bankruptcy.
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Wow. Am I understanding this right? Somebody needs to get credit approval to get a UPC license?

I wonder if the Apostle Paul were here today, if he'd be able to pass a credit-check??
And if he couldn't, would the good apostle be denied a ministerial license?

Vewy intwesting.
the apostle paul might frown on preachers taking money from the church to live on....
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the apostle paul might frown on preachers taking money from the church to live on....
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