Why I have no respect for the protesters

[SiblingRevelry]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479100,00.html

The above link goes to an article of those protesters protesting Israel. I have no respect for them because they are always one sided. Never do they denounce Palestinians lobbing rockets and morters into Israel. Never do they call for an end to Hamas aggression. Peace to them is Israel being attacked and doing nothing about it.

Israel was not attacking the Palestinians when the rockets were fired and the morter shells came and they Hamas were caught trying to plant a bomb near a border crossing

I'd just like to point out that a handful of Israelis have died while hundreds of Gazans have died. This is not proportionate by any stretch of the imagination.

I realize it's an extremely unpopular thing to do here in America, to express something contrary to the almost universally held belief that we have to support Israel no matter what. But I'm suggesting that maybe people should go read Ha'aretz (Israeli newspaper, available in English) for a few days, and you might get a slightly different perspective.

I'm NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT saying that Hamas is guilt-free. NOT. I am just saying that we are not talking about the hundreds of dead at the hands of the Israelis and how it is profoundly disproportionate to the number dead due to Hamas rocket attacks. Both sides should back off. And the Arab governments ought to be leaning all over Hamas to get them to STOP IT.

But the reason I get onto Israel is because we (USA) give Israel money, we help prop up their economy and, since money's fungible, our tax dollars are going into helicopter gunships and shelling of people whose only crime is that they live in Gaza. They don't have any control over Hamas' sending rockets in to Sderot. But they're made to pay under the long-standing Israeli policy of collective punishment.

Go ahead, smack me around, but someone had to say it.

[BrotherEastman]

So, how would you suggest they(Isreal) get cowards(terrorists) to quit hiding behind the innocent?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

I'd just like to point out that a handful of Israelis have died while hundreds of Gazans have died. This is not proportionate by any stretch of the imagination.

I realize it's an extremely unpopular thing to do here in America, to express something contrary to the almost universally held belief that we have to support Israel no matter what. But I'm suggesting that maybe people should go read Ha'aretz (Israeli newspaper, available in English) for a few days, and you might get a slightly different perspective.

I'm NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT saying that Hamas is guilt-free. NOT. I am just saying that we are not talking about the hundreds of dead at the hands of the Israelis and how it is profoundly disproportionate to the number dead due to Hamas rocket attacks. Both sides should back off. And the Arab governments ought to be leaning all over Hamas to get them to STOP IT.

But the reason I get onto Israel is because we (USA) give Israel money, we help prop up their economy and, since money's fungible, our tax dollars are going into helicopter gunships and shelling of people whose only crime is that they live in Gaza. They don't have any control over Hamas' sending rockets in to Sderot. But they're made to pay under the long-standing Israeli policy of collective punishment.

Go ahead, smack me around, but someone had to say it.

Okay.

When was the last time an Israeli "hard target" was targeted by Palestinians? 1972? All other attacks - and there have been literally 10,000's of them - have been against Israeli civilians. Purposefully targeted at unarmed civilians. Yet when Israel shoots back and accidently hits one of Hamas's human shields Israel's critic's cry "foul!" Did you know that the Hamas military command and control center is in a bunker located directly beneath the largest hospital in Gaza? Pathetic.

Also, Israeli "gunships" are not targeting the "innocents" that you bemoan. They are targeting people in the act of using weapons. It is the practice of Hamas and other Arab fighters to gather their children around them as they shoot. In the West we think of this as the lowest form of cowardice. By justifying Hamas's tactics even a little bit - you are encouraging them to continue the slaughter of their own children. 2 Chronicles 33:6.

And then there's the fraudulant "journalism" to consider. Remember Mohammed al Dura? Remember the Hezbollah fight and all of the fake "incidents" of "Israeli terror?" The Intl Red Cross has endangered their own personnel by participating one horrible act of deception. Reuters did something similar with one of their trucks.

And now CNN does a similiar hoax. Notice the way that the doctor is doing the "CPR." Notice how radical Norweigian Marxist Mads Gilbert (the "doctor") actually worked with Hezbollah before moving into the Gaza strip. Notice also that Paul Martin, the man who wrote CNN's "defense" of the video owns several websites in the UK support radical Islamists.

You're being manipulated, Sib. And you're being manipulated by some of the most blood thirsty thugs on the planet.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by SiblingRevelry

I'd just like to point out that a handful of Israelis have died while hundreds of Gazans have died. This is not proportionate by any stretch of the imagination.

I realize it's an extremely unpopular thing to do here in America, to express something contrary to the almost universally held belief that we have to support Israel no matter what. But I'm suggesting that maybe people should go read Ha'aretz (Israeli newspaper, available in English) for a few days, and you might get a slightly different perspective.

I'm NOT NOT NOT NOT NOT saying that Hamas is guilt-free. NOT. I am just saying that we are not talking about the hundreds of dead at the hands of the Israelis and how it is profoundly disproportionate to the number dead due to Hamas rocket attacks. Both sides should back off. And the Arab governments ought to be leaning all over Hamas to get them to STOP IT.

But the reason I get onto Israel is because we (USA) give Israel money, we help prop up their economy and, since money's fungible, our tax dollars are going into helicopter gunships and shelling of people whose only crime is that they live in Gaza. They don't have any control over Hamas' sending rockets in to Sderot. But they're made to pay under the long-standing Israeli policy of collective punishment.

Go ahead, smack me around, but someone had to say it.

Why should it be proportionate? How can you end being attacked if 1) the world community doesn't do squat when one side lobs rockets at the other 2) only complains when the other side strikes back 3) you are expected to just make an equal response?

you ever watch football? The goal is to win...you don't do that by keeping the score even.

BTW they voted Hamas in. They allowed Hamas in. The World sends in UN observers to watch them rocket Israel and then rag on Israel when they strike back. We all feel sorry for those Palestinians but it is unreasonable to expect Israel to be attacked over and over and over with no end. If you want to end it, you win the war.

They had a cease fire agreement...one that was supposed to be lasting one. What does Hamas do? They dig tunnels into Israel so they can attack. They dig cross border tunnels so they can bring in more arms. They plant a bomb. Then they start lobbing rockets. That is the same story over and over and over. The UN does nothing. They wait until Israel gets sick of it and they strike back then they craft some lame UN resolution condemning Israel.