Cosmetics???

Truthseeker · #1 03-09-2009, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

If people think this verse is "proof" that using cosmetics, or eye makeup in particuar, is a sin before God... then that's pretty flimsy "evidence".

explain why. It does appear painting eye is always associate with wicked women or those under judgement.

TRFrance · #2 03-09-2009, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

explain why. It does appear painting eye is always associate with wicked women or those under judgement.

Let me make my point with some basic questions here:

If a group of "wicked women" were described as wearing high-heeled shoes, should we consider high-heeled shoes to be sinful? (And if not, why not?)

...and why is it that you seem to assume that "eye painting" was done only by wicked women, and not righteous women, of Israel?

Truthseeker · #3 03-09-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Let me make my point with some basic questions here:

If a group "wicked women" were described as wearing high-heeled shoes, should we consider high-heeled shoes to be sinful? (And if not, why not?)

...and why is it that you seem to assume that "eye painting" was done only by wicked women, and not righteous women, of Israel?

Good questions, that's why I'm asking to get others input.

Now do you know women of Israel painted themselves?

It does appear when the bible speaks of painting the eyes it's always in a bad situation. Why even mention painting the eyes if it means nothing?

TRFrance · #4 03-09-2009, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Good questions, that's why I'm asking to get others input.

Now do you know women of Israel painted themselves?

It does appear when the bible speaks of painting the eyes it's always in a bad situation. Why even mention painting the eyes if it means nothing?

Sorry, but that's really not much of an anwer, TS.

First of all, lets do this.

Instead of responding to my questions with a bunch of other questions...maybe you should try to offer up some answers to the questions I asked you... and then I'd be happy to reply back with some answers to these extra questions you're asking me.

Truthseeker · #5 03-09-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Sorry, but that's really not much of an anwer, TS.

First of all, lets do this.

Instead of responding to my questions with a bunch of other questions...maybe you should try to offer up some answers to the questions I asked you... and then I'd be happy to reply back with some answers to these extra questions you're asking me.

This is funny! You answered my questions with questions then then say don't answer questions with question.

I answered with "good questions" because I don't know if the ladies of Israel wore makeup or not. I can't say.

TRFrance · #6 03-09-2009, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

This is funny! You answered my questions with questions then then say don't answer questions with question.

You asked me questions? Nah.
In post #33, you asked me to explain...
With my question to you about "high-heeled shoes", I answered you with a rhetorical question, to illustrate a point -- a point which you chose to ignore!

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

I answered with "good questions" because I don't know if the ladies of Israel wore makeup or not. I can't say.

If you look into it, you'll see that makeup (of various types, not just eye makeup) was common in eastern/middle-eastern world since ancient times. There's nothing to indicate that it was just something done by "wicked women".

And even the very commentary you quoted above lets us know that women using eye-makeup was common in that part of the world in those days. (Again, no-one has ever shown evidence or proof that this was something only done by unrigheous women.)

""with eyes dressed with stibium." This fashion seems to have prevailed very generally among the Eastern people in ancient times; and they retain the very same to this day.
(from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)"

TRFrance · #7 03-09-2009, 03:52 PM

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explain why. It does appear painting eye is always associate with wicked women or those under judgement.

Always assosciated with wicked women? Where? in one verse of the bible?
Theres is ony one verse in the Bible (2 Kings 9:30) that clearly speaks of eye-painting, which is when Jezebel the queen did so.

(The Is 3:16 thing is a stretch, based on one man's opinion in a commentary. I dont know of any bible version that renders it as "painted eyes". Hundreds of bible translators have looked over that verse while translating the KJV, NIV,RSV,ASV, etc etc.. and none of these versions render it as "painted eyes", so why should Adam Clarke's commentary be taken as being more weighty than all these bible translations we have?)

So again, let me ask that same rhetorical question a different way... if the Bible had said Jezebel put on high heeled shoes, should we then assume that high heeled shoes are a sin? Or if it had said she put on perfume, would that make you think perfume is a sin?

Truthseeker · #8 03-09-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

Always assosciated with wicked women? Where? in one verse of the bible?
Theres is ony one verse in the Bible (2 Kings 9:30) that clearly speaks of eye-painting, which is when Jezebel the queen did so.

(The Is 3:16 thing is a stretch, based on one man's opinion in a commentary. I dont know of any bible version that renders it as "painted eyes". Hundreds of bible translators have looked over that verse while translating the KJV, NIV,RSV,ASV, etc etc.. and none of these versions render it as "painted eyes", so why should Adam Clarke's commentary be taken as being more weighty than all these bible translations we have?)

So again, let me ask that same rhetorical question a different way... if the Bible has said Jezebel put on high heeled shoes, should we then assume that high heeled shoes are a sin? Or if it had said she put on perfume, would that make you think perfume is a sin?

Don't care for high heels myself, they don't look comely, IMO. But I see your point, just because it says jezebel painted her face doesn't mean it's sin.

Sam · #9 03-09-2009, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

Don't care for high heels myself, they don't look comely, IMO. But I see your point, just because it says jezebel painted her face doesn't mean it's sin.

Jezebel put on her face and fixed her hair because she was having company.
Because it was Jezebel who did that does that make her actions evil or would any woman do that when she was about to receive a guest?

Also, because Jezebel looked out the window, is that action evil also?

RandyWayne · #10 03-09-2009, 07:13 PM

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Jezebel put on her face and fixed her hair because she was having company.
Because it was Jezebel who did that does that make her actions evil or would any woman do that when she was about to receive a guest?

Also, because Jezebel looked out the window, is that action evil also?

Well, I made a special decree (just to be safe ya understand) that my wife is no longer allowed to look out windows, lest the wrath of Reckart comest down on her.