Apparently not. "Former police officer" is how news stories describe her. However, she had a license to carry a weapon. She later said "I was praying and asking the Holy Spirit the entire time to guide me."
So again, what should have happened that Sunday morning? Should there have been many more Stephens? Murray was carrying two hand guns, an assault rifle, and a thousand rounds in clips.
Timmy... sometimes obeying Jesus comes with a high cost.
Now, if she wasn't licensed by the government as a peace officer charged with enforcing the law she has sinned. She needs to seek God's grace. However, I wouldn't charge her with a crime (that's a civil matter). If she refuses to repent and imagines that what she did was the will of Jesus, even though she knows Jesus would have never called her to do such a thing, she'll loose her soul.
Timmy... sometimes obeying Jesus comes with a high cost.
Now, if she wasn't licensed by the government as a peace officer charged with enforcing the law she has sinned. She needs to seek God's grace. However, I wouldn't charge her with a crime (that's a civil matter). If she refuses to repent and imagines that what she did was the will of Jesus, even though she knows Jesus would have never called her to do such a thing, she'll loose her soul.
So, I think what you are saying is that Jesus wasn't happy with what happened. There should have been more deaths that morning. He wanted more people to pay that high cost of obedience you mention.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
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So, I think what you are saying is that Jesus wasn't happy with what happened. There should have been more deaths that morning. He wanted more people to pay that high cost of obedience you mention.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
That and the apparent idea that Government should be the sole protector.
(And I am not sure who coined it here first but the term "Peace officer" really hits a raw nerve in me.)
That and the apparent idea that Government should be the sole protector.
Randy, the Word of God (certainly you know what that is) clearly states that government has the God ordained authority to use the sword. It is written,
Romans 13:1-4
1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
So Randy, if you have an issue with government being ordained of God to punish evil and use the sword... you're issue isn't with me because of what I'm saying... but with the Word of God.
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(And I am not sure who coined it here first but the term "Peace officer" really hits a raw nerve in me.)
Randy, the term "Peace Officer" is a legal term referring to one licensed by the government (God's ordained avenger) to enforce the Law and reign in criminal activity. From the Free Online Dictionary,
peace officer
n.
A law enforcement officer, such as a sheriff, who is responsible for maintaining civil peace.
So, I think what you are saying is that Jesus wasn't happy with what happened. There should have been more deaths that morning. He wanted more people to pay that high cost of obedience you mention.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Timmy,
What I'm saying is; Jesus calls us to obedience to his commandments no matter what the cost.
What I'm saying is; Jesus calls us to obedience to his commandments no matter what the cost.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Actually, I think your exposition of the Bible is fairly accurate. I don't believe it, but it's surprising to me that not very many of your fellow OPs seem to believe it, either. It seems they're letting logic and "common sense" get in the way.
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Actually, I think your exposition of the Bible is fairly accurate. I don't believe it, but it's surprising to me that not very many of your fellow OPs seem to believe it, either. It seems they're letting logic and "common sense" get in the way.
I should clarify: I don't believe what the Bible is saying (if your exposition is correct). The other AFFers are, likely, disagreeing with your exposition of it.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Actually, I think your exposition of the Bible is fairly accurate. I don't believe it, but it's surprising to me that not very many of your fellow OPs seem to believe it, either. It seems they're letting logic and "common sense" get in the way.
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Timmy, you might be surprised at how early Pentecostals in the 20th century viewed violence, warfare, and self defense. Many don't realize that the first efforts to "license" among Pentecostal ministers was so that ministers could claim conscientious objector status if called to military service. The classical interpretation of how Christians respond to violence is historical. The early Anabaptists, early Baptists, the Amish, Mennonites, Quakers, early Methodists etc. were all Bible fundamentalists and believed in Christian pacifism. The current acceptance of violent response, including the use of lethal force, etc. is a fairly recent development within this century. You might also find it interesting that this perspective only grew with American Christianities marriage to political conservatism that favors hawkish military policies and rugged individualism that advocates a "Get off my land or I'll shoot." perspective.
We're departing from the classical tenants of Christian behavior in favor of a conservatively "politically correct" approach. We need Christians who are willing to put their trust in the Lord and seek obedience... no matter what the cost.
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