Supreme Court to Hear Case on Obama

[RevDWW]

Originally Posted by Twisp

I watched from the 55:25 mark on, and it looked like they were all having fun with the questions. Lots of laughter.

Not sure what gloryseeker's stance is on this, so this isn't directed to specifically. I was just responding to their post.

They have an official record of a certification of a live birth. They have 2 birth announcements in Honolulu newspapers for that year and that day, both stating a son was born to his parents. The Supreme Court has dismissed two lawsuits over this. Hawaiian officials have verified that he does have a valid birth certificate.

I see the need for some people to continue pushing this illogical argument. They didn't vote for the guy, they want to see him fail, and this is the type of sensationalist idea that attracts those types of people. But of all the arguments against him, this is the one they attach their horse to? There are other things to bash him over that are much more well-founded. People pushing this agenda come off the same as "we didn't go to the moon" people.

What would be wrong with producing the Birth Certificate? Produce it and verify it and it becomes a non issue. Seems like that would be easy and then this stuff could be settled. It's a non issue anyway because the only way he'll be put out of office before his four years is up would result in mucho viloence.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by RevDWW

What would be wrong with producing the Birth Certificate? Produce it and verify it and it becomes a non issue. Seems like that would be easy and then this stuff could be settled. It's a non issue anyway because the only way he'll be put out of office before his four years is up would result in mucho viloence.

He did. His certification of live birth document has been released for some time.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

He did. His certification of live birth document has been released for some time.

http://msgboard.snopes.com/politics/graphics/birth.jpg

Why would Obama spend a couple of million of dollars to throw 20+ cases out of court instead of $15 to produce the bonafide document?

http://theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Newman

Why would Obama spend a couple of million of dollars to throw 20+ cases out of court instead of $15 to produce the bonafide document?

http://theobamafile.com/ObamaCOLB.htm

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he he has all of the qualifications needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he he has all of the qualifications needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

1. We don't have proof that the document offered up on the internet was indeed a valid document. To the contrary, forensic analysts say that it is not.

2. Even if it was (which it wasn't) people born outside of Hawaii also can have the type of document posted. WEIRD Hawaii rules... The forged document was likely based on his half sisters document. She was not born in Hawaii.

3. Even if he was born in Hawaii (which is doubtful) he is still not a NATURAL born citizen because his father had an allegiance to a foreign country (British citizenship). The Constitution of the United States and case law denote that natural citienship is different than just citizenship.

4. BUT, to add fuel to the fire; there is also the realization that he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen (his step dad) and thus had Indonesian citizenship. A natural born citizen can never have had an allegiance to any country but the USA.

5. The question lingers about what passport he used to travel to Pakastan when he was 20. At that time they weren't letting American citizens in. Interestingly enough, it was after that trip, that Obama took up his Muslim name and went to Columbia College to continue his radical education.

6. All he has to do is call Hawaii and tell them to release what they have. Instead he spends almost 2 million dollars on more than 20 lawsuits arguing that nobody has standing to challenge him. For $15 he could end most of the charades.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. We don't have proof that the document offered up on the internet was indeed a valid document. To the contrary, forensic analysts say that it is not.

2. Even if it was (which it wasn't) people born outside of Hawaii also can have the type of document posted. WEIRD Hawaii rules... The forged document was likely based on his half sisters document. She was not born in Hawaii.

3. Even if he was born in Hawaii (which is doubtful) he is still not a NATURAL born citizen because his father had an allegiance to a foreign country (British citizenship). The Constitution of the United States and case law denote that natural citienship is different than just citizenship.

4. BUT, to add fuel to the fire; there is also the realization that he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen (his step dad) and thus had Indonesian citizenship. A natural born citizen can never have had an allegiance to any country but the USA.

5. The question lingers about what passport he used to travel to Pakastan when he was 20. At that time they weren't letting American citizens in. Interestingly enough, it was after that trip, that Obama took up his Muslim name and went to Columbia College to continue his radical education.

6. All he has to do is call Hawaii and tell them to release what they have. Instead he spends almost 2 million dollars on more than 20 lawsuits arguing that nobody has standing to challenge him. For $15 he could end most of the charades.

You covered a lot of the great points. If he is the blood son of Frank Marshall Davis, then is is by blood an American. I know Christians understand the word Truth. If Obama was honest, he would be in a hurry to get the truth out. Forensics testing tell us the fake BC is less than 24 months old.
14,5 million angry people have no jobs. They have promises he will not keep. They have reason to not trust him and this is an apportunity to give trust. Too busy to release it. That is a lie. He plays golf and runs to NYC to shop. He is loaded with lawyers that can make on 5 minute phone call.
Enablers are afraid of truth.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Newman

1. We don't have proof that the document offered up on the internet was indeed a valid document. To the contrary, forensic analysts say that it is not.

2. Even if it was (which it wasn't) people born outside of Hawaii also can have the type of document posted. WEIRD Hawaii rules... The forged document was likely based on his half sisters document. She was not born in Hawaii.

3. Even if he was born in Hawaii (which is doubtful) he is still not a NATURAL born citizen because his father had an allegiance to a foreign country (British citizenship). The Constitution of the United States and case law denote that natural citienship is different than just citizenship.

4. BUT, to add fuel to the fire; there is also the realization that he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen (his step dad) and thus had Indonesian citizenship. A natural born citizen can never have had an allegiance to any country but the USA.

5. The question lingers about what passport he used to travel to Pakastan when he was 20. At that time they weren't letting American citizens in. Interestingly enough, it was after that trip, that Obama took up his Muslim name and went to Columbia College to continue his radical education.

6. All he has to do is call Hawaii and tell them to release what they have. Instead he spends almost 2 million dollars on more than 20 lawsuits arguing that nobody has standing to challenge him. For $15 he could end most of the charades.

1-3: The first three items can be pretty well covered within this article. Other reputable sources have validated the document, but Politifact actually asked the Hawaii Department of Health. They did confirm that it was a valid Hawaii state birth certificate. Politifact also had a colleague born in Hawaii compare her birth certificate, and it was identical.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icate-part-ii/
This site also professes the validity of the document:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html

4: We have no idea on Indonesia's laws on adoption in pertaining to citizenship. Just because he was adopted does not necessarily automatically make him a Indonesia citizen.

5: Americans were allowed to visit Pakistan during 1981. There was a travel advisory issued during 1981, which was to inform citizens wishing to travel there of situations within the country. You can find a copy of it here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp
Search for travel advisory and you will be able to open up a PDF of one from that year.

6: Agreed. Although, He did that when he released the certificate of live birth.

We can spend all day discussing this, each of us posting our websites of source, each of us not believing the other. It boils down to this: with all of the news outlets we have today, with all of the Republicans that were in office at the time, with all of the conspiracy theorists out there, don't you think there would have been hard evidence introduced long before the election? We have records that show he is a citizen, we have reputable sources saying that he is. On the other side, all we have are a bunch of what-ifs and hypothetical possibilities. I remember you from way back on FCF, and I have always found you to be a reasonable person, grounded in facts. It is amazing that you would take this stance with such force and certainty. I agree that it is within the realm of possibility that the entire secret muslim world is perpetrating this hoax on the American people. Anything is possible, just not anything is probable.

[coadie]

We can spend all day discussing this, each of us posting our websites of source, each of us not believing the other. It boils down to this: with all of the news outlets we have today, with all of the Republicans that were in office at the time, with all of the conspiracy theorists out there, don't you think there would have been hard evidence introduced long before the election? We have records that show he is a citizen, we have reputable sources saying that he is. On the other side, all we have are a bunch of what-ifs and hypothetical possibilities. I remember you from way back on FCF, and I have always found you to be a reasonable person, grounded in facts. It is amazing that you would take this stance with such force and certainty. I agree that it is within the realm of possibility that the entire secret muslim world is perpetrating this hoax on the American people. Anything is possible, just not anything is probable.[/

More google scholaring.
2 million bucks. That is how much in legal fees Obama has spent to fight cooperation. Follow the money.
You seemingly missed the fact that the paper posted by obama on the web sites was fabricated on a word processor.
It has no physicians name on it. no witnesses. Can't decieve me. It does not meet the standard for an I-9 required when a company hires an employee.

You seem to force an erroneous opinion for some reasson. Obama has only posted a fake birth document. It did not look like the original.
Honesty is important. Gibbs laughing and the reporter says a lot. The other give away is docs back then filled in the blanks in handwriting.


Attorney Philip Berg has posted many early 60's examples of what real certificates look like. The have pplaces for a parent's or witness signature, the attending Physicians signature and a lot of other info. That is why I left counseling years ago. too many people that want to hide the truth.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=103633
Look at a pic of a real one and compare it with a fake.

This is a tough case for judges. They will get threats from the Justice department and life will be miserable if they hear the case.

Your conspiracy cannard is easy for me to see thru, Hillary also played the 'right wing conspiracy" card. Rod Blagojevech also called out the "conspiracy theory" Then he and Oblahma said they and their people never had contact with each other. Ooops. the transcripts said Obama fudged. I also suspect Rezco is singing. Obama had some shady deals with him. One whistle blower was fired over a deal. (his banker was ordered to place a higher appraisal on Obama's house in the loan file.)
Obama
Bill ayers
Bernadette dohrn
Kwame Malik Kilpatrick
Anthony Rezco
Michelle Obama (disbarred lawyer)
Rod Blagovech

Guilt by association? Innocent and clean people have a way of staying away from crooks. Honest people have different values. That is why the left despises Gov Palin so much. Baptized in Jesus Name pentecostal.

Afraid she would go to D.C. with a clean broom. do a little house cleaning.

[Newman]

Originally Posted by Twisp

We can spend all day discussing this, each of us posting our websites of source, each of us not believing the other. It boils down to this: with all of the news outlets we have today, with all of the Republicans that were in office at the time, with all of the conspiracy theorists out there, don't you think there would have been hard evidence introduced long before the election? We have records that show he is a citizen, we have reputable sources saying that he is. On the other side, all we have are a bunch of what-ifs and hypothetical possibilities. I remember you from way back on FCF, and I have always found you to be a reasonable person, grounded in facts. It is amazing that you would take this stance with such force and certainty. I agree that it is within the realm of possibility that the entire secret muslim world is perpetrating this hoax on the American people. Anything is possible, just not anything is probable.

Twisp- I may not have every detail right; as the landscape shifts from time to time as new information is learned. But I am certain that Obama is hiding much.

The media was in the tank for Obama. We knew more about Sara Palin's daughter and Joe the Plumber's tax problems than we knew about Obama's history (excluding his own writings). How many reporters did they send to Alaska to dig up dirt? How many did they send to Chicago?

From www.theobamafile.com

"Obama has lived for almost 50 years without leaving any footprints -- none! There is no Obama documentation -- no bona fides -- no paper trail -- nothing.

Original, vault copy birth certificate -- Not released (lawyers' fees = $2,000,000 ~ birth certificate = $15)
Certification of Live Birth -- Released -- Counterfeit
Obama/Dunham marriage license -- Not released (if one exists)
Obama/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Kindergarten records -- Records lost (this is a big one -- see here -- read two frames)
Soetoro/Dunham marriage license -- Not released
Soetoro adoption records -- Not released

Fransiskus Assisi School School application -- Released (by independent investigators)
Punahou School records -- Not released
Soetoro/Dunham divorce -- Released (by independent investigators)

Selective Service Registration -- Released -- Counterfeit
Occidental College records -- Not released
Passport -- Not released and records scrubbed clean by Obama's terrorism and intelligence adviser.
Columbia College records -- Not released
Columbia thesis -- "Soviet Nuclear Disarmament" -- Not released
Harvard College records -- Not released
Harvard Law Review articles -- None

Illinois Bar Records -- Not released.
Baptism certificate -- None
Medical records -- Not released
Illinois State Senate records -- None
Illinois State Senate schedule -- Lost
Law practice client list -- Not released
University of Chicago scholarly articles -- None

The Illinois State Archives told Judicial Watch that they never received any request from Senator Obama to archive any records in his possession. In 2007, Obama told Tim Russert that his records were "not kept."

And there's less on the web every day. In time, the entire Obama body of knowledge will consist of 3 documents -- "Dreams From My Father" -- "The Audacity of Hope" -- and the latest -- "Change We Can Believe In" -- all written by Barack Hussein Obama or his "ghost-writers."

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Twisp

Birth certificate or not, the certification of live birth is a valid document and does verify he is a US citizen. It has been proven valid by a number of different sources. Why he doesn't release the actual one, I don't know. I know that I do not have my original one. I had to order another one when I got my passport. Maybe he doesn't have the time to personally do it. Maybe he has more pressing issues and realizes that the majority of Americans think he he has all of the qualifications needed to be president and doesn't want to give credence to the small minority that thinks otherwise. Who knows?

You are covering for him. You are busted.
He actually did have a court hearing in Honolulu. He did have time. He told the media he was visiting granny. He had a court date with this man.

(HONOLULU, HI)(October 22, 2008) Internet powerhouse Andy Martin told a Honolulu news conference today that after an intense international investigation he is convinced that Barack Obama, Junior, the presidential candidate is really the son of Obama’s controversial mentor Frank Marshall Davis.

look andy martin had the lawsuits and the actual court hearings. I remember readin obama lying about why he suddenly had to visit granny as an emergency a couple weeks after her "surgery"

“Mendacious adults ‘switched’ Obama at birth. That is why he has refused to allow access to the original or ‘vault’ birth certificate,” Martin told a Honolulu news conference. “We believe the original certificate did not list a father. Barack Obama became the father as a result of an agreement between Ann Dunham, Frank Marshall Davis and Barack Obama, Sr.



“Davis was already married to a White Woman. He did not need a nonmarital child by a second one. Ann probably refused to have what was then called a ‘back alley’ abortion. Davis may have felt that ‘Obama’ would face less stigma with an ‘African’ background than a Negro one. The civil rights revolution, of course, turned that gambit upside down. In discovering and understanding what happened we cannot forget we are dealing with events in 1961, not 2008.



“The irony in all of this is that Obama once stated he did not want his daughters to be ‘victimized’ with a child. And he is alive because his mother took the contrary view.



“Barack Obama has known this since adulthood, and the shock of this discovery still reverberates in his psyche.

Andy martin is a lawyer and private investigator. He has investigated more than one Chicago crook even before you knew who Obama was.


(he has time. He doesn't go to church because he is busy. Playing basket ball in his new gym.)