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Originally Posted by Newman
1. We don't have proof that the document offered up on the internet was indeed a valid document. To the contrary, forensic analysts say that it is not.
2. Even if it was (which it wasn't) people born outside of Hawaii also can have the type of document posted. WEIRD Hawaii rules... The forged document was likely based on his half sisters document. She was not born in Hawaii.
3. Even if he was born in Hawaii (which is doubtful) he is still not a NATURAL born citizen because his father had an allegiance to a foreign country (British citizenship). The Constitution of the United States and case law denote that natural citienship is different than just citizenship.
4. BUT, to add fuel to the fire; there is also the realization that he was adopted by an Indonesian citizen (his step dad) and thus had Indonesian citizenship. A natural born citizen can never have had an allegiance to any country but the USA.
5. The question lingers about what passport he used to travel to Pakastan when he was 20. At that time they weren't letting American citizens in. Interestingly enough, it was after that trip, that Obama took up his Muslim name and went to Columbia College to continue his radical education.
6. All he has to do is call Hawaii and tell them to release what they have. Instead he spends almost 2 million dollars on more than 20 lawsuits arguing that nobody has standing to challenge him. For $15 he could end most of the charades.  |
1-3: The first three items can be pretty well covered within this article. Other reputable sources have validated the document, but Politifact actually asked the Hawaii Department of Health. They did confirm that it was a valid Hawaii state birth certificate. Politifact also had a colleague born in Hawaii compare her birth certificate, and it was identical.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...icate-part-ii/
This site also professes the validity of the document:
http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...n_the_usa.html
4: We have no idea on Indonesia's laws on adoption in pertaining to citizenship. Just because he was adopted does not necessarily automatically make him a Indonesia citizen.
5: Americans were allowed to visit Pakistan during 1981. There was a travel advisory issued during 1981, which was to inform citizens wishing to travel there of situations within the country. You can find a copy of it here:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/passport.asp
Search for travel advisory and you will be able to open up a PDF of one from that year.
6: Agreed. Although, He did that when he released the certificate of live birth.
We can spend all day discussing this, each of us posting our websites of source, each of us not believing the other. It boils down to this: with all of the news outlets we have today, with all of the Republicans that were in office at the time, with all of the conspiracy theorists out there, don't you think there would have been hard evidence introduced long before the election? We have records that show he is a citizen, we have reputable sources saying that he is. On the other side, all we have are a bunch of what-ifs and hypothetical possibilities. I remember you from way back on FCF, and I have always found you to be a reasonable person, grounded in facts. It is amazing that you would take this stance with such force and certainty. I agree that it is within the realm of possibility that the entire secret muslim world is perpetrating this hoax on the American people. Anything is possible, just not anything is probable.
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