10.01.09-The End of Haneywood - D. Bernard New GS

[Orthodoxy]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Bernard will try to make UPC seem mainstream

What do you mean by this?

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by Orthodoxy

What do you mean by this?

Bernard, from his books that I have read, is very slick. He tries hard to make UPC doctrine seem like typical Christianity. To outside Christians he wants us to be accepted instead of being called a cult.

In one of his books I read I was reading and thinking man this is great stuff and then I get to the very last chapter and he has just a few paragraphs saying how we still have to have water baptism and speaking in tongues to be saved. To me that is a little deceptive.


Here is a debate between Bernard and a trinitarian preacher. At one point in the debate Bernard tries to say that the UPC worships the same God that the trinitarians do but they just have a different explanation. The trinitarian would not accept that and said that Bernard worshiped a different God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq3KgEPFMpQ

Now, having seen this clip it makes me wonder. Would Bernard, after trying to convince the trinitarian that they do worship the same God, would he (Bernard) say that the man is saved? This seems a little slick to me. He wasn't mainstream Christianity to accept him but not the other way around.

I am not sure what clip it is but the debate is worth watching.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Bernard, from his books that I have read, is very slick. He tries hard to make UPC doctrine seem like typical Christianity. To outside Christians he wants us to be accepted instead of being called a cult.

In one of his books I read I was reading and thinking man this is great stuff and then I get to the very last chapter and he has just a few paragraphs saying how we still have to have water baptism and speaking in tongues to be saved. To me that is a little deceptive.


Here is a debate between Bernard and a trinitarian preacher. At one point in the debate Bernard tries to say that the UPC worships the same God that the trinitarians do but they just have a different explanation. The trinitarian would not accept that and said that Bernard worshiped a different God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq3KgEPFMpQ

Now, having seen this clip it makes me wonder. Would Bernard, after trying to convince the trinitarian that they do worship the same God, would he (Bernard) say that the man is saved? This seems a little slick to me. He wasn't mainstream Christianity to accept him but not the other way around.

I am not sure what clip it is but the debate is worth watching.

ROFL... "US" you and the "US" in reference to the UPC.... ROFL!! Sorry but you would be at home with Charismatic Baptists than UPCI.

[deltaguitar]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

ROFL... "US" you and the "US" in reference to the UPC.... ROFL!! Sorry but you would be at home with Charismatic Baptists than UPCI.

Your right. My bad. I have only been out for two years.

BTW, I am not charismatic in any way, shape, or form. I don't like all that pentecostal stuff even though I do go to a "spirit filled" church.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Your right. My bad. I have only been out for two years.

BTW, I am not charismatic in any way, shape, or form. I don't like all that pentecostal stuff even though I do go to a "spirit filled" church.

ok... not charismatic... writes that down... along with Calvinist.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Bernard, from his books that I have read, is very slick. He tries hard to make UPC doctrine seem like typical Christianity. To outside Christians he wants us to be accepted instead of being called a cult.

In one of his books I read I was reading and thinking man this is great stuff and then I get to the very last chapter and he has just a few paragraphs saying how we still have to have water baptism and speaking in tongues to be saved. To me that is a little deceptive.


Here is a debate between Bernard and a trinitarian preacher. At one point in the debate Bernard tries to say that the UPC worships the same God that the trinitarians do but they just have a different explanation. The trinitarian would not accept that and said that Bernard worshiped a different God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jq3KgEPFMpQ

Now, having seen this clip it makes me wonder. Would Bernard, after trying to convince the trinitarian that they do worship the same God, would he (Bernard) say that the man is saved? This seems a little slick to me. He wasn't mainstream Christianity to accept him but not the other way around.

I am not sure what clip it is but the debate is worth watching.

Boy, this guy that Bernard is debating is totally confusing!!! lol!