PO, at the risk of sounding PCI... the commas have a whole lot to do with it.
Berk,
The Bible doesn't use this wording that Goss used, with all due respect - "... repentance brings the blood of Jesus to a sinner’s heart to wipe out and cleanse him from all sin, he should then be baptized in water as a confession of his faith in the atonement..."
It just simply says this:
Acts 2:38 (Contemporary English Version)
"Peter said, "Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit."
Acts 2:38 (Contemporary English Version)
"Peter said, "Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit."
In your opinion, is there a difference in:
Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (comma) so that your sins will be forgiven.
AND THIS:
Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (no comma) so that your sins will be forgiven.
Okay, so what does this mean? Is the majority right? If we took a poll of the majority of Christians in the world today, does that mean the RCC would be correct on this subject?
What does Exo 34:7 mean to you? How come forgiveness does not clear the guilty?
Quote:
...forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty....Exo 34:7
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
Okay, so what does this mean? Is the majority right? If we took a poll of the majority of Christians in the world today, does that mean the RCC would be correct on this subject?
What does Exo 34:7 mean to you? How come forgiveness does not clear the guilty?
What? You weren't aware that I wasn't aware of Dan's poll? (I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that I wasn't aware of Apostolic Fighter's Forum's existence in 2008)
As of today I am not posting on AFF for a while (been spending too much time here) but I must respond to your Exodus example.
You see, my opinion of your position is that it is one of legalism, self-effort, and works. Your bringing up of Exodus 34:7 is further proof of that, for the setting of Exodus 34, is completely different than that of the Acts setting. You're correct....the guilt of sin was not removed in Exodus, but it is now, so your example isn't really one to be considered. If you have a New Testament example, maybe we could investigate that one. I'll even accept an Old Testament verse that's prophetic, which Exodus isn't.
So that's my sign-off for a few weeks! But I'll be reading. Love you all!
What? You weren't aware that I wasn't aware of Dan's poll? (I'd like to take this opportunity to announce that I wasn't aware of Apostolic Fighter's Forum's existence in 2008)
As of today I am not posting on AFF for a while (been spending too much time here) but I must respond to your Exodus example.
You see, my opinion of your position is that it is one of legalism, self-effort, and works. Your bringing up of Exodus 34:7 is further proof of that, for the setting of Exodus 34, is completely different than that of the Acts setting. You're correct....the guilt of sin was not removed in Exodus, but it is now, so your example isn't really one to be considered. If you have a New Testament example, maybe we could investigate that one. I'll even accept an Old Testament verse that's prophetic, which Exodus isn't.
So that's my sign-off for a few weeks! But I'll be reading. Love you all!
We'll keep a light on for ya.
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You see, my opinion of your position is that it is one of legalism, self-effort, and works. Your bringing up of Exodus 34:7 is further proof of that, for the setting of Exodus 34, is completely different than that of the Acts setting. You're correct....the guilt of sin was not removed in Exodus, but it is now, so your example isn't really one to be considered. If you have a New Testament example, maybe we could investigate that one. I'll even accept an Old Testament verse that's prophetic, which Exodus isn't.
I know what your position is. But I believe you are misrepresenting my position. I don't consider the baptisms to be works that we do to be saved apart from the Spirit.
The OT is full of types and shadows. The guilt of sin is not removed without a blood sacrifice because without the shedding of blood there is no remission. If you had read the "forever long" posts I gave you on baptism you would find that the blood of Christ is effective at water baptism when the penitent believer receives a spiritual circumcision, the removal of the body of the sins of the flesh from the conscience...ie: remission of sins.
Have a nice vacation!
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His banner over me is LOVE.... My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?
To be a servant of God, it will cost us our total commitment to God, and God alone. His burden must be our burden... Sis Alvear
I know what your position is. But I believe you are misrepresenting my position. I don't consider the baptisms to be works.
The OT is full of types and shadows. The guilt of sin is not removed without a blood sacrifice because without the shedding of blood there is no remission. If you had read the "forever long" posts I gave you on baptism you would find that the blood of Christ is effective at water baptism when the penitent believer receives a spiritual circumcision, the removal of the body of the sins of the flesh from the conscience...ie: remission of sins.
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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