The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

TheLegalist · #1 03-31-2010, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

We are not saved by being baptized better than anybody else. We are not saved because our dress code is better than anybody else. We are not saved because we worked harder at it or because our preacher uncovered some "hidden truth" that had escaped the attention of the church for 1,700+ years.

We are saved because Jesus Christ loved us and gave Himself as a ransom for our sins.

Job 9:20; Psalm 130:3; Psalm 143:2; Luke 16:15.

BAPTISM is essential to salvation whether you like it or not as it is when we are united with him and HIS WORK in a covenant death and arise to fulness of life. You are correct that is the "SOURCE" of our salvation which was his work. We still must respond to CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN HIM! Thus salvation is synergistic with a monergistic source!

Jeffrey · #2 03-31-2010, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

BAPTISM is essential to salvation whether you like it or not as it is when we are united with him and HIS WORK in a covenant death and arise to fulness of life. You are correct that is the "SOURCE" of our salvation which was his work. We still must respond to CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN HIM! Thus salvation is synergistic with a monergistic source!

Have you ever taught that baptism is a type of circumcision?

Do you see similarities?

Can you please respond to Paul's treatment to circumcisions relationship to faith in the scope of being reckoned?

TheLegalist · #3 03-31-2010, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Have you ever taught that baptism is a type of circumcision?

Do you see similarities?

Can you please respond to Paul's treatment to circumcisions relationship to faith in the scope of being reckoned?

is circumcision of any value?

pelathais · #4 03-31-2010, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

is circumcision of any value?

That actually goes right to the whole "one stepper" point.

Abraham was "justified" and "accounted righteous" before he was circumcised. Romans 4:1-5; Genesis 15:6 and then later... Genesis 17.

Circumcision, the seal of the covenant and without which no man could have a place in the congregation of the faithful, was given as a sign after Abraham was "saved" in the eyes of God.

He of course went ahead and was circumcised; but he was "righteous" and "justified" long before he did that "work."

It might even be argued that Abraham was commanded to be circumcised, not because there was some sort of heavenly requirement for it - but because of the events that happened between Genesis 15:6 and Genesis 17: the matter involving Hagar the Egyptian handmaid.

Abraham's faith in God's promises for a child wavered, so he took up Sarah's offer of her handmaid. (Here we can almost see a parallel between these events and the events in the garden when Eve offered "the fruit" to Adam).

In the Garden, a flaming sword was set up to guard the way to the "forbidden fruit" and the Tree of Life. In Abraham's tent, a knife was used to "guard the way" to the fruit of Abraham's loins and "forbidden flesh."

But back to the theme of this thread; Abraham was justified in the eyes of God by his faith alone - even though that faith would waver, God still honored it and kept Abraham on the path toward the promise.

TheLegalist · #5 03-31-2010, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

That actually goes right to the whole "one stepper" point.

Abraham was "justified" and "accounted righteous" before he was circumcised. Romans 4:1-5; Genesis 15:6 and then later... Genesis 17.

Circumcision, the seal of the covenant and without which no man could have a place in the congregation of the faithful, was given as a sign after Abraham was "saved" in the eyes of God.

He of course went ahead and was circumcised; but he was "righteous" and "justified" long before he did that "work."

It might even be argued that Abraham was commanded to be circumcised, not because there was some sort of heavenly requirement for it - but because of the events that happened between Genesis 15:6 and Genesis 17: the matter involving Hagar the Egyptian handmaid.

Abraham's faith in God's promises for a child wavered, so he took up Sarah's offer of her handmaid. (Here we can almost see a parallel between these events and the events in the garden when Eve offered "the fruit" to Adam).

In the Garden, a flaming sword was set up to guard the way to the "forbidden fruit" and the Tree of Life. In Abraham's tent, a knife was used to "guard the way" to the fruit of Abraham's loins and "forbidden flesh."

But back to the theme of this thread, Abraham was justified in the eyes of God by his faith alone - even though that faith would waver, God still honored it and kept Abraham on the path toward the promise.

simple answer yes or no..... thanks! I was not making a statement but wanting a response TO respond.

Jeffrey · #6 03-31-2010, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TheLegalist

simple answer yes or no..... thanks! I was not making a statement but wanting a response TO respond.

Oh but his response was grand. Will you interact with it?

TheLegalist · #7 03-31-2010, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Oh but his response was grand. Will you interact with it?

why should I see no resposne to anything I ever say as it is always ignored scriptural wise and people don't argue from the text but spit jargon and misused terms. FAITH IS A RIGHTEOUS DEED seems you got hosed on that and just decided to ignore.

mfblume · #8 03-31-2010, 01:04 PM

Abraham HAD TO BE CIRCUMCIZED if he had the faith that he would be. Faith THAT WORKS is what saves. So we cannot separate the work that follows faith from it. I am not saying the act of baptism in itself is soteriological as if it were the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration. But would God have made Abraham righteous had he seen that Abraham did not have the faith that WOULD ACT in obedience? People cannot see the heart that God sees. The one stepper acceptance of Christ to be saved IS AN ACT OF OBEDIENCE, TOO, YOU KNOW.

TheLegalist · #9 03-31-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Abraham HAD TO BE CIRCUMCIZED if he had the faith that he would be. Faith THAT WORKS is what saves. So we cannot separate the work that follows faith from it. I am not saying the act of baptism in itself is soteriological as if it were the false doctrine of baptismal regeneration. But would God have made Abraham righteous had he seen that Abraham did not have the faith that WOULD ACT in obedience? People cannot see the heart that God sees. The one stepper acceptance of Christ to be saved IS AN ACT OF OBEDIENCE, TOO, YOU KNOW.

YEP! He had to be or he would not have been "just" before God! Was Abraham's response judged just by his obedience unto circumcision? Yes he was!