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Old 03-31-2010, 12:19 PM
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I have never heard that terminology used. It sounds caustic in a discussion, IMO.

You did say this to me last night. So, I think you did have a tone involved.



Basically you accused me of being insecure and dishonest. Lump in calling "speaking in tongues" a "crises experience", well, you figure out if I'm interested in the conversation.
Fair enough. You've never heard it.

Are we taking everything personal suddenly? Please don't. I don't know you.

Before you blow a hole through your head, look up "crisis experience." It's very common in theological circles, and is NOT a pejorative term.
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We are not saved by being baptized better than anybody else. We are not saved because our dress code is better than anybody else. We are not saved because we worked harder at it or because our preacher uncovered some "hidden truth" that had escaped the attention of the church for 1,700+ years.

We are saved because Jesus Christ loved us and gave Himself as a ransom for our sins.

Job 9:20; Psalm 130:3; Psalm 143:2; Luke 16:15.
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I'll have to respond later. I'm really busy. Just sat down to eat a quick lunch. I like to read the news while I'm eating.
K. np. Have a great lunch... despite the "news." LOL <groan!>
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:21 PM
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His response of circumcision was righteous as well. BECAUSE HE DID WHAT GOD SAID! You still don't understand what Paul is talking about...ROFL! I guess ABRAHAM act was NOT judged RIGHTEOUS in offering ISAAC?


ROFL you still don't get the verse and you are not READING it! By the way Paul does not disagree with me. sheesh

His FAITH was reckoned/considered/calculated/thought as righteous. FAITH IS A DEED JUDGED!

Gen 15:6 Abram believed20 the LORD, and the LORD21 considered his response of faith22 as proof of genuine loyalty.23 NET


Abrahams moving according to God's will in Gen 12 was righteous as well.

just like Phinehas... God judges it "right/just" or not! God was judging his action just like every other action just or unjust in response.

Psa 106:30 Then Phinehas stood up and intervened, and the plague was stayed.
Psa 106:31 And that was counted to him as righteousness from generation to generation forever.




ROLF you can't even understand Gen 15:6 right let alone understand Paul.
When you're done rolling on the floor, sit back up and let's talk.

There's no need to guess on this one. Paul was quite clear. If we are judged by our actions we are all damned. Before you add your commentary to the verses I cited, please read them and then get back to me. He was reckoned with righteousness BEFORE circumcision, in other words BEFORE he DID IT.

Faith is a DEED?????????? Sister, that's called FALSE DOCTRINE and HERESY. If you live by that "sword" you will die by it as well. Go ahead and be a control freak with your salvation. I trust God's hands and his gift over my wages. I know mine are death already.

And while you're at it, please correct me of my error with Gen 15:6, which by the way, is Paul's primary text! Thanks PO.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:22 PM
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We are not saved by being baptized better than anybody else. We are not saved because our dress code is better than anybody else. We are not saved because we worked harder at it or because our preacher uncovered some "hidden truth" that had escaped the attention of the church for 1,700+ years.

We are saved because Jesus Christ loved us and gave Himself as a ransom for our sins.

Job 9:20; Psalm 130:3; Psalm 143:2; Luke 16:15.
BAPTISM is essential to salvation whether you like it or not as it is when we are united with him and HIS WORK in a covenant death and arise to fulness of life. You are correct that is the "SOURCE" of our salvation which was his work. We still must respond to CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN HIM! Thus salvation is synergistic with a monergistic source!
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We are not saved by being baptized better than anybody else. We are not saved because our dress code is better than anybody else. We are not saved because we worked harder at it or because our preacher uncovered some "hidden truth" that had escaped the attention of the church for 1,700+ years.

We are saved because Jesus Christ loved us and gave Himself as a ransom for our sins.

Job 9:20; Psalm 130:3; Psalm 143:2; Luke 16:15.
It doesn't frustrate me that others can't see it, because it took me so long. I always wanted the credit, and as a consequence dealt with that burden far too long. What a moment when I realized that He's taken care of it. I'm off the hook. Now just daily trust Him, live for Him, grow in Him -- this is a faith that will persevere.
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BAPTISM is essential to salvation whether you like it or not as it is when we are united with him and HIS WORK in a covenant death and arise to fulness of life. You are correct that is the "SOURCE" of our salvation which was his work. We still must respond to CONTINUE TO ABIDE IN HIM! Thus salvation is synergistic with a monergistic source!
Have you ever taught that baptism is a type of circumcision?

Do you see similarities?

Can you please respond to Paul's treatment to circumcisions relationship to faith in the scope of being reckoned?
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... You are correct ...
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When you're done rolling on the floor, sit back up and let's talk.

There's no need to guess on this one. Paul was quite clear. If we are judged by our actions we are all damned. Before you add your commentary to the verses I cited, please read them and then get back to me. He was reckoned with righteousness BEFORE circumcision, in other words BEFORE he DID IT.
oh really... WOW I guess John Jesus, Peter, Paul might as well go home then I guess. So we are not judged faithful or not? WOW! I guess we are not judged like Abraham to receive the promise.... hmmm wow. Talk about false doctrine.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

just like Abraham

Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son:
Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.


Gen 26:3 Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I will perform the oath which I sware unto Abraham thy father;
Gen 26:4 And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;
Gen 26:5 Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.




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Faith is a DEED?????????? Sister, that's called FALSE DOCTRINE and HERESY. If you live by that "sword" you will die by it as well. Go ahead and be a control freak with your salvation. I trust God's hands and his gift over my wages. I know mine are death already.
hmmm you error in not knowing the scriptures....

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. CAN YOU SAY A DEED DONE OR UNDONE?

Oh and God cannot judge something that is not done on your part thus it is a deed done.

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And while you're at it, please correct me of my error with Gen 15:6, which by the way, is Paul's primary text! Thanks PO.
see above
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Have you ever taught that baptism is a type of circumcision?

Do you see similarities?

Can you please respond to Paul's treatment to circumcisions relationship to faith in the scope of being reckoned?
is circumcision of any value?
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