The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

Ev. Duane Williams · #1 04-07-2010, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Great verse. He certainly HAS provided the way of salvation to all who obey....who don't follow the rules of the world such as don't handle, don't eat, don't touch (Colossians 2), who obey the commands not to add anything or any steps to the simplicity of the gospel of the cross of Christ.

We agree on this one!!

But then, aren't the acts of obedience "works"? And wouldn't your "obedience" to not "add" anything be in itself adding something to the simplicity of the Gospel of the Cross of Christ? You see the wormhole that greasy grace is digging here? Just do what the Bible says, what Paul and the Twelve did, and you'll be saved. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

notofworks · #2 04-07-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ev. Duane Williams

But then, aren't the acts of obedience "works"? And wouldn't your "obedience" to not "add" anything be in itself adding something to the simplicity of the Gospel of the Cross of Christ? You see the wormhole that is digging here? Just do what the Bible says, what Paul and the Twelve did, and you'll be saved. Doesn't get much simpler than that.

Ahhhhhh......."Greasy Grace". I love that term.

Yes, those things are "works". Anything that's a "work" is a "work." They're described in James 2 as being a very important thing. But it doesn't enter into the discussion of salvation.

Well, it does, but it shouldn't.

TheLegalist · #3 04-07-2010, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Ahhhhhh......."Greasy Grace". I love that term.

Yes, those things are "works". Anything that's a "work" is a "work." They're described in James 2 as being a very important thing. But it doesn't enter into the discussion of salvation.

Well, it does, but it shouldn't.

sorry but works clearly is about salvation as our covenant is a contract "to do" to obtain eternal life.. You cannot abide unless "you do" and to abide in covenant with God is necessitated on YOU DOING as HE DID to be in relationship as Abraham was and judged faithful "to obtain" the promise! John 15.

notofworks · #4 04-07-2010, 09:57 AM

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sorry but works clearly is about salvation as our covenant is a contract "to do" to obtain eternal life.. You cannot abide unless "you do" and to abide in covenant with God is necessitated on YOU DOING as HE DID to be in relationship as Abraham was and judged faithful "to obtain" the promise! John 15.

Ok, Illegalist, mostly we're taking playful jabs at each other, here, but seriously.....How does one stay rapture-ready? What if a person misses tithing for two weeks, or says several vulgarities just before a fatal car accident. Yesterday, I was driving on the freeway and suddenly, there was no place to go except drilling a car going 30 mph, and I said.........well, never mind what I said, but it wasn't good. If I had collided and slipped into eternity.....what then?

I guess what I'm getting out, much are our works monitored to "stay saved"?

TheLegalist · #5 04-07-2010, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Ok, Illegalist, mostly we're taking playful jabs at each other, here, but seriously.....How does one stay rapture-ready? What if a person misses tithing for two weeks, or says several vulgarities just before a fatal car accident. Yesterday, I was driving on the freeway and suddenly, there was no place to go except drilling a car going 30 mph, and I said.........well, never mind what I said, but it wasn't good. If I had collided and slipped into eternity.....what then?

I guess what I'm getting out, much are our works monitored to "stay saved"?

GOd will judge the whole of your works and your life. That is why it is a judgment by deeds. Search out your own salvation with fear and trembling. There is sin that does not lead to death. God is just and he knows who you are and what you are and the complete aspect of your heart. Not just a moment in time but the whole.

notofworks · #6 04-07-2010, 10:24 AM

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GOd will judge the whole of your works and your life. That is why it is a judgment by deeds. Search out your own salvation with fear and trembling. There is sin that does not lead to death. God is just and he knows who you are and what you are and the complete aspect of your heart. Not just a moment in time but the whole.

THAT'S EXACTLY THE ENTIRE POINT OF GRACE! It's the position of your heart, not the steps of legalism!!

mizpeh · #7 04-07-2010, 10:51 AM

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THAT'S EXACTLY THE ENTIRE POINT OF GRACE! It's the position of your heart, not the steps of legalism!!

There is a natural outflow of certain actions from a right heart.

You seem to be stressing one thing, while the Legalist stresses the other. It's BOTH.

James 2:14 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.