Great verse. He certainly HAS provided the way of salvation to all who obey....who don't follow the rules of the world such as don't handle, don't eat, don't touch (Colossians 2), who obey the commands not to add anything or any steps to the simplicity of the gospel of the cross of Christ.
We agree on this one!!
God's command to not eat of swine etc... is not of the world but a principle issue of order for which certain animals are made and is about basic health of consumption. We do not touch the unclean thing. That is still a principle. nothing directly defiles the Spirit except the heart is what defiles but that which we do touch and handle may bring defilement from the heart. Food in itself does not defile my Spirit but it does have a issue with my health. Thus why God said it is a abomination unto you not him. Spiritual and physical laws are two different things. You should love that which God has given and treat your body as he thought was best by not eating that which he thought was best not to eat. The gospel is about his dying and us doing his will to obtain eternal life likewise. We obtain by contract of obedience which was brought about by HIS sacrifice in which HE became the mediator or administrator of the covenant. Thus IF we do we abide and have assurity of eternal life. If we don't continue to abide we will be judged unfaithful and a wicked servant.
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God's command to not eat of swine etc... is not of the world buta principle issue of order for which certain animals are made and is about basic health of consumption. We do not touch the unclean thing. That is still a principle. nothing directly defiles the Spirit except the heart is what defiles but that which we do touch and handle may bring defilement from the heart. Food in itself does not defile my Spirit but it does have a issue with my health. Thus why God said is is a abomination unto you not him. Spiritual and physical laws are two different things. You should love that which God has given and treat you body as he thought was best by not eating that which he thought was best not to eat. The gospel is about his dying and us doing his will to obtain eternal life likewise. We obtain by contract of obedience which was brought about by HIS sacrifice in which HE became the mediator or administrator of the covenant. Thus IF we do we abide and have assurity of eternal life. If we don't continue to abide we will be judged unfaithful and a wicked servant.
Don't let anyone condemn you by insisting on self-denial. And don't let anyone say you must worship angels, even though they say they have had visions about this. These people claim to be so humble, but their sinful minds have made them proud.
Col 2:19 But they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For we are joined together in his body by his strong sinews, and we grow only as we get our nourishment and strength from God.
Col 2:20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the evil powers of this world. So why do you keep on following rules of the world, such as,
Col 2:22 Such rules are mere human teaching about things that are gone as soon as we use them.
Col 2:23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, humility, and severe bodily discipline. But they have no effect when it comes to conquering a person's evil thoughts and desires.
There it is, right there. Big as Dallas. (Is Dallas big?)
Don't let anyone condemn you by insisting on self-denial. And don't let anyone say you must worship angels, even though they say they have had visions about this. These people claim to be so humble, but their sinful minds have made them proud.
Col 2:19 But they are not connected to Christ, the head of the body. For we are joined together in his body by his strong sinews, and we grow only as we get our nourishment and strength from God.
Col 2:20 You have died with Christ, and he has set you free from the evil powers of this world. So why do you keep on following rules of the world, such as,
Col 2:22 Such rules are mere human teaching about things that are gone as soon as we use them.
Col 2:23 These rules may seem wise because they require strong devotion, humility, and severe bodily discipline. But they have no effect when it comes to conquering a person's evil thoughts and desires.
There it is, right there. Big as Dallas. (Is Dallas big?)
I guess God was a idiot then to give them as law. God didn't know what he was doing. You miss Pauls point and his teaching. Yeah Paul.... God changes his reasoning and opinions. Instruction by genetic code was clearly a thing from God as he only knew of these things! So you are saying God did not detest the eating of these things?
Isa 66:16 For the LORD judges all humanity
with fire and his sword;
the LORD will kill many. Isa 66:17 "As for those who consecrate and ritually purify themselves so they can follow their leader and worship in the sacred orchards, those who eat the flesh of pigs and other disgusting creatures, like mice — they will all be destroyed together," says the LORD. Isa 66:18 "I hate their deeds and thoughts! So I am coming to gather all the nations and ethnic groups; they will come and witness my splendor.
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I guess God was a idiot then to give them as law. God didn't know what he was doing. You miss Pauls point and his teaching. Yeah Paul.... God changes his reasoning and opinions. Instruction by genetic code was clearly a thing from God as he only knew of these things! So you are saying God did not detest the eating of these things?
Isa 66:16 For the LORD judges all humanity
with fire and his sword;
the LORD will kill many. Isa 66:17 "As for those who consecrate and ritually purify themselves so they can follow their leader and worship in the sacred orchards, those who eat the flesh of pigs and other disgusting creatures, like mice — they will all be destroyed together," says the LORD. Isa 66:18 "I hate their deeds and thoughts! So I am coming to gather all the nations and ethnic groups; they will come and witness my splendor.
Bolded question......Yes, I'm sure as heck saying that, at the time of the writing of Colossians, God did not detest the eating of those things. Didn't then, didn't now.
Are you seriously saying that we're obligated to practice the diet of the Old Testament? Are you seriously saying we're not supposed to eat pork?? Surely not. Are you a tongue-talking, three-step, Seventh Day Adventist? I can list quite a few things in the Law you don't obey.
And you ran off and left me with that thing about genetic code. What verse is that in?
Bolded question......Yes, I'm sure as heck saying that, at the time of the writing of Colossians, God did not detest the eating of those things. Didn't then, didn't now.
Are you seriously saying that we're obligated to practice the diet of the Old Testament? Are you seriously saying we're not supposed to eat pork?? Surely not. Are you a tongue-talking, three-step, Seventh Day Adventist? I can list quite a few things in the Law you don't obey.
And you ran off and left me with that thing about genetic code. What verse is that in?
hmmm so God changes his mind on what is good for us to eat? Wow, what a God that thinks they are detestable things to eat because HOW HE MADE THEM and then turns right around and says they are ok to eat. Considering that they where considered clean and unclean before "the law". You have a God that is contradictive and can't make up his mind. Nice.
concering genentic code. God has order within order. Which is natural law. The reason God used genetic footprint in the establishing "clean and unclean" animals was because HOW HE DESIGNED BY ORDER and the what was considered clean and unclean was based on genetic patterns. THUS GOD HAD A REASON. Not just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing if it sticks!
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hmmm so God changes him mind on what is good for us to eat? Wow, what a God that thinks they are detestable things to eat because HOW HE MADE THEM and then turns right around and says they are ok to eat. Considering that they where considered clean and unclean before "the law". You have a God that is contradictive and can't make up his mind. Nice.
concering genentic code. God has order within order. Which is natural law. The reason God used genetic footprint in the establishing "clean and unclean" animals was because HOW HE DESIGNED BY ORDER and the what was considered clean and unclean was based on genetic patterns. THUS GOD HAD A REASON. Not just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing it it sticks!
Has God changed His mind about anything?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
not concerning natural law and how God relates. God changes his judgments in "reaction" to our response but it is still based on lawful/righteousness of God that does not change. God considered it unclean for a reason. Is it a salvation issue directly? No! Food initself doesn't defile the Spirit. Our heart does. Food defiles our physical health. God laws where about the "whole" of life not just the spiritual.
hmmm so God changes his mind on what is good for us to eat? Wow, what a God that thinks they are detestable things to eat because HOW HE MADE THEM and then turns right around and says they are ok to eat. Considering that they where considered clean and unclean before "the law". You have a God that is contradictive and can't make up his mind. Nice.
concering genentic code. God has order within order. Which is natural law. The reason God used genetic footprint in the establishing "clean and unclean" animals was because HOW HE DESIGNED BY ORDER and the what was considered clean and unclean was based on genetic patterns. THUS GOD HAD A REASON. Not just throwing stuff against the wall and seeing if it sticks!
You can't be serious. Am I on Candid Camera?? Is someone going to jump out from behind a curtain and say, "Gotcha" and laugh at me for arguing with you about this stuff?
So did God change His mind? I don't know. Maybe it's better to say He "entered a mew phase" or "transitioned in the way He operated as part of an eternal divine plan." Whatever. I'll let you figure that out.
But am I to believe that you do the Guilt Offering, the Sin Offering, Burnt Offering, and that you have a pen full of goats and bulls to use for your sacrifices?
Do you shave? That's forbidden (Lev 19:27). Do you stone women for getting married and bleeding on their wedding night?
You can't be serious. Am I on Candid Camera?? Is someone going to jump out from behind a curtain and say, "Gotcha" and laugh at me for arguing with you about this stuff?
So did God change His mind? I don't know. Maybe it's better to say He "entered a mew phase" or "transitioned in the way He operated as part of an eternal divine plan." Whatever. I'll let you figure that out.
But am I to believe that you do the Guilt Offering, the Sin Offering, Burnt Offering, and that you have a pen full of goats and bulls to use for your sacrifices?
Do you shave? That's forbidden (Lev 19:27). Do you stone women for getting married and bleeding on their wedding night?
I must be on Candid Camera.
hmmm so the OT speaks nothing of righteousness at all anymore. hmmm interesting. Considering Paul says different. So God's natural law of design and order unto purpose changed? Sorry but that doesn't change nor can it until heaven and earth pass away. Man was created for something as was woman. The creative order of God is complete and all is good for it's purpose and provided to us to know by his Word and through prayer.
So you basically make fun of God's law at the expense of justifying your position? Everything has a purpose and was ordained of God. Some as type and shadow and other as pure light. Somethings as in procedures change but those are based upon reality and shadow/type thus not done away but realized more perfectly in another way. Just as passover is seen more perfectly now but not done away. Why would you need to offer those offerings? They are but shadow and type. Though you could offer a offering unto God if you choose but a sin offering would not be about sin but rememberance and seeing the realization of Christ in it. Everything you do in life points to him and is honored by God when the heart is toward him in truth. Thus why Jews and James still did those things after the D,B,R and the Jews where zealous for the law. Why because they honored it from the heart and what it symbolized.
concerning those things.... why would we not do them or why would we. You explain why they are exempted?
So when you ask God about health and treating yoru body right I guess you ignore what food was best and what he said about food right?
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