The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That's great. I hope you can understand the consternation of some of us who have been in this thread from the beginning. Only now has the discussion been turned around and pointed back at Jesus Christ and His gift of salvation. There was a knee jerk reaction early on that demanded that this focus be removed from Christ and be placed upon our own efforts.

What other kind of "faith" could anyone possibly have in Jesus Christ but faith that saves?

But you said that "the guy who died in the car" was saved because of his faith. Baptism was not essential for him.


We are NOT saved by faith in what the Messiah did approximately 2,000 years ago?

woo-boy! Gotta start all over again:

Jesus saves.

Any arguments?

Yes he does but salvation comes with requirements!

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

Yes he does but salvation comes with requirements!

So He'll save only those who deserve to be saved?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Timmy

So He'll save only those who deserve to be saved?

he will save the faithful.... pretty clear what scripture says just like Abraham. God gives mercy to the humble and resists the proud. hmmm sounds pretty conditional to me.

you don't understand Heb 5:9? Why do you fight scripture?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

he will save the faithful.... pretty clear what scripture says just like Abraham. God gives mercy to the humble and resists the proud. hmmm sounds pretty conditional to me.

you don't understand Heb 5:9? Why do you fight scripture?

T.L., you're probably a pretty good guy when you don't feel that you have to act so ornery.

Why do you keep moving past the subject of this thread? This thread isn't about "Christian Discipleship" or "How to Follow In the Footsteps of Our Savior," "How to Persevere" nor "What To Do After You've Received the Free Gift."

The thread simply deals with what it was that enabled to be saved in the first place. It was the cross.

This may seem to be a trivial point to some people but quite a bit of the NT is devoted to doing just this thing. Paul frequently felt that he had to remind the recipients of his epistles of what it was that saved them in the first place.

That's the topic of this thread. Everything that follows is vital and we talk about it all the time, but why is it so hard to get back to the cross?

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by pelathais

T.L., you're probably a pretty good guy when you don't feel that you have to act so ornery.

Why do you keep moving past the subject of this thread? This thread isn't about "Christian Discipleship" or "How to Follow In the Footsteps of Our Savior," "How to Persevere" nor "What To Do After You've Received the Free Gift."

The thread simply deals with what it was that enabled to be saved in the first place. It was the cross.

This may seem to be a trivial point to some people but quite a bit of the NT is devoted to doing just this thing. Paul frequently felt that he had to remind the recipients of his epistles of what it was that saved them in the first place.

That's the topic of this thread. Everything that follows is vital and we talk about it all the time, but why is it so hard to get back to the cross?

sigh... which you still fail to understand. THe cross does not save anyone by itself. Grace does not save by itself as (that was the grace) The Cross is the source by which the NC could come about. Does the "cross" ONLY compose the NC? NO! You are denying the cross as the cross is not just about CHrist BUT OUR CROSS AS WELL IN THE COVENANT! Also the resurrection is negated by your statement. We are not SAVED until the END. We are in covenant to obtain when he saves/rescues us from "sin" UNTO ETERNAL LIFE by which we SEEK TO OBTAIN! Salvation is not about a moment in time but the fulness of life judged and whether we are IN HIM!

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by pelathais

T.L., you're probably a pretty good guy when you don't feel that you have to act so ornery.

Why do you keep moving past the subject of this thread? This thread isn't about "Christian Discipleship" or "How to Follow In the Footsteps of Our Savior," "How to Persevere" nor "What To Do After You've Received the Free Gift."

The thread simply deals with what it was that enabled to be saved in the first place. It was the cross.

This may seem to be a trivial point to some people but quite a bit of the NT is devoted to doing just this thing. Paul frequently felt that he had to remind the recipients of his epistles of what it was that saved them in the first place.

That's the topic of this thread. Everything that follows is vital and we talk about it all the time, but why is it so hard to get back to the cross?

oh and by the way... I am a nice guy!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

oh and by the way... I am a nice guy!

Thanks, I thought that was the part you said I was failing to understand.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by pelathais

Thanks, I thought that was the part you said I was failing to understand.

HAHAHAHAHAHA.... my friend this is THEOLOGY and DOCTRINE.... they have no friends. Get away from discussing points that war with each other and the problem is I never take anything serious and hold no grudges and love to have fun to much.... When it comes to doctrine truth cuts and does not waver and it's not a game and it's not to be taken lightly. I hope you understand.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

he will save the faithful.... pretty clear what scripture says just like Abraham. God gives mercy to the humble and resists the proud. hmmm sounds pretty conditional to me.

you don't understand Heb 5:9? Why do you fight scripture?

CONDITIONAL????????? Holy ......... Seriously. Jesus died because we couldn't freaking live up to the "terms of conditions." He made a way!! If it's conditional, and his side of the bargain is like an earned wage, you've missed the entire Pauline thought of salvation by faith. I thought we were farther along than this!!!!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

CONDITIONAL????????? Holy ......... Seriously. Jesus died because we couldn't freaking live up to the "terms of conditions." He made a way!! If it's conditional, and his side of the bargain is like an earned wage, you've missed the entire Pauline thought of salvation by faith. I thought we were farther along than this!!!!

You go, Jeff!!!