The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

Are we reading the same Bible? Virtually ever scholar of Gen 15 sees a covenant here. And actually, the promise of God began in Gen 12, the stories continues on, and God makes his promises clear in covenantal form.

this is not true "REFORMED scholars who MUST have a covenant WHERE THERE IS NONE do. Read the BIBLE the covenant is made in Gen 22 and I have pointed this scripture out multiple times.

If Abrahams faith, that Paul points back to, is not the basis of the entire covenant (faith), then I don't know what is.

CONTEXT= what is faith defined as!
HELLO... seriously connect the dots of what I have said multipletime. HIS faith is seen as a whole not just a isolate! James 2 "fulfilled"... when... ISAAC. Thus God judged/considered/thought "it" to him as just or righteous.

In case you fail to realize the covenantal language (because the terms of agreement aren't spelled out enough), v18 says 18On that day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying,(W) "To your offspring I give[c] this land, from(X) the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Euphrates, 19the land of the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, 20the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Rephaim, 21the Amorites, the Canaanites, the Girgashites and the Jebusites."

your point? This was not the covenant about offspring as sands of the sea etc... EVEN your reformed theologians say that is not the same covenant.
The covenant is clearly made in Gen 22 if you can't see that your blind.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

this is not true "REFORMED scholars who MUST have a covenant WHERE THERE IS NONE do. Read the BIBLE the covenant is made in Gen 22 and I have pointed this scripture out multiple times.

Wrong. I can name at least two predominant scholars who aren't REFORMED. But I can careless what we call them. First you say it's sort of a covenant, but limited to land, but then say there is NO covenant. Make up your mind.


CONTEXT= what is faith defined as!
HELLO... seriously connect the dots of what I have said multipletime. HIS faith is seen as a whole not just a isolate! James 2 "fulfilled"... when... ISAAC. Thus God judged/considered/thought "it" to him as just or righteous.



your point? This was not the covenant about offspring as sands of the sea etc... EVEN your reformed theologians say that is not the same covenant.
The covenant is clearly made in Gen 22 if you can't see that your blind.

ha. Get off the "your reformed theologians."

Gen 22 reinforces what was told to Abram in Gen 12. What is unique here that you are jumping up and down about?

Interestingly, this event also as Messianic overtones as well. But that's a TRUE tangent.

[TheLegalist]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

ha. Get off the "your reformed theologians."

Gen 22 reinforces what was told to Abram in Gen 12. What is unique here that you are jumping up and down about?

Interestingly, this event also as Messianic overtones as well. But that's a TRUE tangent.

LOL... seriously the problem is with you is you miss the little very important points that bring about the big picture. I have attempted to show you the points and you ignore the most simple things.

I will repeat...

Gen 22:16 and said, "By myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,
Gen 22:17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies,
Gen 22:18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice."

"I WILL" "I WILL" THIS IS COVENANT LANGUAGE! The covenant is made AT THIS POINT! WHY? because you have obeyed my voice!

The covenant was not made UNTIL Gen 22 concerning his offspring.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by TheLegalist

LOL... seriously the problem is with you is you miss the little very important points that bring about the big picture. I have attempted to show you the points and you ignore the most simple things.

I will repeat...

Gen 22:16 and said, "By myself I have sworn, declares the LORD, because you have done this and have not withheld your son, your only son,
Gen 22:17 I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. And your offspring shall possess the gate of his enemies,
Gen 22:18 and in your offspring shall all the nations of the earth be blessed, because you have obeyed my voice."

"I WILL" "I WILL" THIS IS COVENANT LANGUAGE! The covenant is made AT THIS POINT! WHY? because you have obeyed my voice!

The covenant was not made UNTIL Gen 22 concerning his offspring.

TL, though you are zoning in on "BECAUSE YOU OBEYED" more consistent with the Story is that Abraham had faith, and in this act, still trusted God in faith. His faith was not new in Gen 22, it began in Gen 12 when he radically left all he knew to a city he didn't know concerning details he didn't have.

Also, offspring is certainly a part of Gen 12:
And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:

3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Why wouldn't it be? God made a pact with Abram from the get-go. He chose him, asked for his trust, told him where to go and Abram was on a journey ever since. Beautiful story.