The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save

[mfblume]

The issue of when the blood is applied is a hairy one. It gets into all sorts of confusion, I think. So I do not use it.

For instance, since the blood was applied to the three posts of the Hebrew doors in Goshen during Passover, some say there is a three-fold application to denote repentance, baptism and Spirit infilling. No one stepper would agree with that. I would be called a three stepper, but I do not agree with that correlation either. However, that is the sort of can of worms one opens when one discusses when the blood is applied, when the New Testament does not use that terminology. Since it is not used, then neither sides of the steppers' views are proposed in relation to it.

We do read of BLOOD SHEDDING and BLOOD SPRINKLING. And that is another category altogether, though. Sprinkling of the blood occurs on thy human conscience and depicts a changing process of coming to full assurance of faith in Hebrews 9 - 10, after salvation.

[mfblume]

Pelathais,

Just to bring things up to speed on everyone's behalf, let me say your words are confusing. This is not to slap you. I am trying to get your point.

You claim one does not need to be baptized to say they are saved. I ONLY say such a thing if there is a situation where baptism is physically impossible, as in the guy in the car scenario. And that is because it is FAITH THAT WORKS. (I know I am repeating this, but you still indicate you cannot understand why I say someone can be saved without having been baptized when I claim baptism is part of salvation). The FAITH in FAITH THAT WORKS is what saves directly. If no works like baptism follow, then there was no FAITH that saves. And when someone has FAITH that saves, one WILL WANT TO BE baptized, and THE WANT TO is the evidence of the saving FAITH. So regardless if the person did not get baptized due to some mishap, THE FAITH that saves was present since they would have done so.

Anyway, you said that demand for baptism for salvation is error. But when I say baptism is part of salvation you agree. Now, that is why TL said the question has not been answered, and why I said I have not gotten an answer. When we get to this point with you, you then state something like this is a very complicated issue and would take many more words (or something to that effect).

I said baptism is necessary for salvation. You said it is not, I THINK. And then you said it is part of salvation. Now, what is the difference between baptism necessary for salvation and baptism part of salvation? This is where your words confuse me, not saying my words never confused you. But bouncing these things off one another helps us each understand where the other is coming from more clearly.

[mfblume]

N.O.W. if you want me to say I never meant a tongue-in-cheek with those words then take this as what you want. But I told you already more than twice now that I did not lie when I said it was tongue in cheek, whether I forgot and then later remembered, or not.

Now, I stated my claim about that issue in finality. So find ONE POST where I called you a name. That was the issue you took issue with in your refusal to let this drop. Come good with one post where I called you a name, and I will sincerely ask forgiveness for saying you fabricated that accusation. I promise! Ok?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

N.O.W. if you want me to say I never meant a tongue-in-cheek with those words then take this as what you want. But I told you already more than twice now that I did not lie when I said it was tongue in cheek, whether I forgot and then later remembered, or not.

Now, I stated my claim about that issue in finality. So find ONE POST where I called you a name. That was the issue you took issue with in your refusal to let this drop. Come good with one post where I called you a name, and I will sincerely ask forgiveness for saying you fabricated that accusation. I promise! Ok?

When I have nothing better to do than watch paint dry, I'll go looking. Like I said, calling me "Passive-Aggressive" IS name-calling and you won't admit that so I'm not very hopeful that you'll make anything else right either. Whatever I produce, you'll just pass off as "joking" so it really won't do any good. If you can't admit the original was serious, there's nothing you'll admit.

The bottom line, however, is that, "The Cross Alone Can Save!"

But when I have some time, I'll look.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

When I have nothing better to do than watch paint dry, I'll go looking. Like I said, calling me "Passive-Aggressive" IS name-calling and you won't admit that so I'm not very hopeful that you'll make anything else right either. Whatever I produce, you'll just pass off as "joking" so it really won't do any good. If you can't admit the original was serious, there's nothing you'll admit.

The bottom line, however, is that, "The Cross Alone Can Save!"

But when I have some time, I'll look.

Hey, NOW! Did you know that Mike Blume has written a book, "Take A Bite of Eternal Life, The Kingdom of God, The Garden Restored!"

You should buy it from him. It's a good read. And, incidentally, you called him "long winded" in a previous post. Guess what? The book is only Volume One!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Hey, NOW! Did you know that Mike Blume has written a book, "Take A Bite of Eternal Life, The Kingdom of God, The Garden Restored!"

You should buy it from him. It's a good read. And, incidentally, you called him "long winded" in a previous post. Guess what? The book is only Volume One!

Good grief, even the title is long! Can I get a comped copy?

Interestingly enough, I'm in the process of writing a book!. The problem is, I can't get more than three pages written!

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Good grief, even the title is long! Can I get a comped copy?

Interestingly enough, I'm in the process of writing a book!. The problem is, I can't get more than three pages written!

Well, if he was boring, that would be another story, but he always writes something thought provoking and interesting, so I don't mind the length.

Billy Cole's father said, "Thirty minutes is long enough for a good preacher and too long for a bad one!"

He'll autograph it for ya! LOL! He did mine - "God Bless you as you enjoy His eternal life! Mike Blume, Phil 3:10".

I'm saving it to sell on e-bay when he gets really big. So, write your book, we will buy it and wait to sell yours on e-bay too!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

When I have nothing better to do than watch paint dry, I'll go looking. Like I said, calling me "Passive-Aggressive" IS name-calling and you won't admit that so I'm not very hopeful that you'll make anything else right either. Whatever I produce, you'll just pass off as "joking" so it really won't do any good. If you can't admit the original was serious, there's nothing you'll admit.

The bottom line, however, is that, "The Cross Alone Can Save!"

But when I have some time, I'll look.

Amen. I give you permission to call me a liar, since you insist I lied. But that would be namecalling. And do you not recall me kidding with you in a PM after the fact about passive aggression? Passive aggression is a condition, too, not a name. A name is something like "Pumpkinhead" that Pelathais called me. In fact, ironically enough, Pelathais said I WAS PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE and I never blew a gasket about it. But it is interesting you cannot find any namecalling.



For Pressing-On,

It is wonderful to know that createspace.com is a website where one can order books on demand and get as little as ONE BOOK printed for &.50. So "hello!" for writing more books!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Amen. I give you permission to call me a liar, since you insist I lied. But that would be namecalling. And do you not recall me kidding with you in a PM after the fact about passive aggression? Passive aggression is a condition, too, not a name. A name is something like "Pumpkinhead" that Pelathais called me. In fact, ironically enough, Pelathais said I WAS PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE and I never blew a gasket about it. But it is interesting you cannot find any namecalling.

Didn't say I couldn't find any and that was VERY clear. I said I hadn't yet looked. See there how you twist things?? WOW!!!! Nor have I insisted you "lied". However, you said, that I "Fabricated things" and the very definition of "Fabricate" is "To forge, fake, or to lie". So in actuality, you've called ME a liar! So that would be name-calling example #1.

The habit here is, I quote you with copying and pasting, and your habit is answer things I said, that I never said. Great debate strategy. You're not the first one to use it here.

So..."The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save!!!"

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Didn't say I couldn't find any and that was VERY clear. I said I hadn't yet looked. See there how you twist things?? WOW!!!! Nor have I insisted you "lied". However, you said, that I "Fabricated things" and the very definition of "Fabricate" is "To forge, fake, or to lie". So in actuality, you've called ME a liar! So that would be name-calling example #1.

The habit here is, I quote you with copying and pasting, and your habit is answer things I said, that I never said. Great debate strategy. You're not the first one to use it here.

So..."The Cross of Christ Alone Can Save!!!"

You can surely write a lot when the issue is not biblical, but otherwise. lol. Don't tell me you have short attention span.

Anyway, you learned my secret. I never call anyone a liar but I will say whether I think they lied or not. I will never call anyone a name, but will say how I feel they acted. So while I will say you, perhaps unintentionally, fabricated (fabricated is a much nicer term than lied) the idea of me calling you names, I would never call you a liar. But I will say that if you think that me saying you were passive aggressive is name-calling, which I would never say was namecalling (in such a case I would call you a passive aggressor), I apologize for making you feel like I called you a "name". I would not call that a name, but evidently you think it is namecalling.

And I used no strategy of saying you said what you did not say. If I said you claimed something, then I was honest in believing you said it. Again, I did not lie nor do I lie.

Now, can we go on from here yet?