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Old 05-25-2010, 01:19 PM
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Re: Holiness Is Still Important

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That's not really support then.
Your statement about legalism, oif course I agree with you.



LOL Way to support their decision. You are arguing with it. "Do it if you wanna, but it won't help!" That's support? lol

But I don't see how keeping one's home a sanctuary will not help them. Or, since AQP brought up the Matthew parable, if one's eye is offending them, how plucking it out won't be helpful! Of course it will.

I always love to take stabs. But let me ask you first to project your meaning since you disagreed with my own application.

Here's some context of Matthew 5, hard words spoken from a passionate Jesus:

19-20"Trivialize even the smallest item in God's Law and you will only have trivialized yourself. But take it seriously, show the way for others, and you will find honor in the kingdom. Unless you do far better than the Pharisees in the matters of right living, you won't know the first thing about entering the kingdom.

Mt 5 gives the most practical advice, from Jesus' own mouth, about how to live a morally pure life. I love how the chapter sums up:

"In a word, what I'm saying is, Grow up. You're kingdom subjects. Now live like it. Live out your God-created identity. Live generously and graciously toward others, the way God lives toward you."


It doesn't rid us of our problem. Which is why getting rid of a TV, or selective about movies, or filters on internet, is not about "do this and you're perfect and holy." It's accompanied by the Spirit, saying "Jesus you are LORD, and I'm setting up idols in my life that I'm worshippping (lust), and I worship you. If I truly believe you are LORD, I won't worship them. Help my unbelief." Then afterward, doing everything to make provision to avoid that trap.



If it's a certain girl at work one flirts with overboard. They choose a different route. If it's a certain drive home where it goes right by the beach front with scantily clad women that creates an inferno of raging thoughts, then they choose a different route.


At least we've made some progress with your "maybe it will help!" It will most certainly help. A man that struggles with lust (many of us do), but a man who is consumed, who stays away from the temptation is a wise man. He hasn't conquered the venom of sin, but he's learned to grow up and behave maturely, taking responsibility for his actions. Striving to live right. Also, I never interpreted eye gouging literally, not sure why you are doing that now. This is a parable. Your logic says, "heck since it's everywhere, don't even bother." I find that very ignorant, NOW.



Sure, address it in those ways. But also remove yourself from the temptation if it's feeding your problem. It's not either/or. I'm surprised you think by the Spirit we can be perfect all of a sudden. I think the man that drives a different route has victory just the same! How can you say otherwise???

If it means conversations have gone too far with a part of the opposite sex, they never allow alone conversations with that person. It's us being led by the Spirit, taking responsibility for our own actions. Grace has our back, but it's not going to let us lay down and bring our idols in.

I agree about grace. The thing is, the more I've experienced grace and understood it, the more I want to please my Father. Knowing that grace "has my back" and knowing that I can get back up and try again, is empowering!


Whew.....this post was confusing. But I'll just summarize with this....removing things will not solve a person's problems. That's what must be understood. Will it help? Who knows...maybe. But there's a deeper issue and if it's not addressed, removing something isn't going to help. If the deeper issue isn't addressed in the proper manner, removing things won't make one bit of difference.
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