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Old 10-20-2010, 05:51 PM
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Re: Don't Ask....Don't Tell. Good Policy?

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Greetings Azzan. Please let me state up front that I in no way am approaching this subject in a judging way. I have a young man in my church who has just "come out" and he has asked to talk to me. I want to help him and not kill him spiritually.

How do you approach the following scriptures from Romans 1? And I'm very aware of what Romans 2:1 says... " 2:1* ¶ Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things." I AM NOT JUDGING YOU.... Just interested in your response.

But here are the scriptures I'm asking you about, particularly the bolded part.

Romans 1:19* ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20* For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21* Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22* Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23* And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24* Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25* Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26* For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27* And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28* And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29* Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30* Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31* Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32* Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

How do you explain what Paul was talking about?

Been Thinkin
BT, thanks for the non judgemental approach. As I said before I will not be drawn into debates. And that is because I can offer nothing new that has not already been said many, many times before here at AFF and else where.

But since you asked, I will tell you my personal opinion. I know that most here will disagree with me and that is fine - you have your interpretation, I have mine.

As I've already stated, it is my opinion that some are born gay. I know many do not believe that and that is fine. We will have to disagree. But I do believe it because I am there - I have dealt with this "choice" every single day since I was age 11. I am now 47.

It frustrates me to no end to hear people say it is a choice when they have not walked in my shoes for one single minute let alone an entire life time. Until you have fought my battles, felt my pain, faced my shame, you do not know of what you speak. Imagine the horror of finding out you are attracted to your gender when being raised in a Pentecostal home or any christian home for that matter. Do you have any idea what that does to a person and their self esteem? I think not.

I said all that to say this. For me, I do not feel that it is unnatural to be attracted to my gender. I know that goes against the grain but you asked me my opinion. I know many will say I am in error. I know many of you will pray for my soul. I thank you for it.

Again, I am not here to push a gay agenda. I apologize if I have offended anyone as that is not my intention. I am just trying to articulate where I am and what I have been through in order that someone out there may gain a better understanding of what it means to be gay and perhaps more importantly what it means to be gay and raised Pentecostal.

There are many hurting souls out there folks. And some of them are sitting in the pew right next to you.

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