NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life." Romans 6:1-4

If you are dead to sin by being buried in baptism, how are you saved at repentance alone? Wouldn't you "walk in newness of life" if you were saved? Romans says that you "walk in newness of life" after we are raised like as Christ was raised from the dead.

How is Christ raised? By the Spirit.

"But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Romans 8:11

We need to be filled with His Spirit to walk in newness of life. It begins with repentance, but doesn't stop there.

Looks like I'm sticking with Acts 2:38 (Repent AND be baptized...for the remission of sins...) and the badly termed "3-stepper" doctrine.

I'm glad you referenced Romans 6, PO. Preceding this verse, Paul really describes the Grace of God. He does it so forcefully and clearly, that he has to make assurances to the nervous Jews that this does not equal lawlessness and people living for themselves, but rather people living fully unto Christ, because they are in Christ. Paul's description here of Baptism, is in the context of why we shouldn't (or wouldn't) continue to sin. It's not a systematic study of baptism, and in fact is only pulled in as part of this point.

Amen. The Spirit dwelling in us is the same Spirit that leads us, guides us, speaks to us, comes alongside us, comforts us, empowers us, called us to grace and will call us home.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Jeffrey

I'm glad you referenced Romans 6, PO. Preceding this verse, Paul really describes the Grace of God. He does it so forcefully and clearly, that he has to make assurances to the nervous Jews that this does not equal lawlessness and people living for themselves, but rather people living fully unto Christ, because they are in Christ. Paul's description here of Baptism, is in the context of why we shouldn't (or wouldn't) continue to sin. It's not a systematic study of baptism, and in fact is only pulled in as part of this point.

Amen. The Spirit dwelling in us is the same Spirit that leads us, guides us, speaks to us, comes alongside us, comforts us, empowers us, called us to grace and will call us home.

All of the epistles are replete, confirming what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost. Death (repentance), burial (baptism) and resurrection (Holy Ghost infilling).

There is no other message - it's Acts 2:38!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Have company arriving early in the week and I need to get the house ready. Hasta luego lagarto!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On;977685[B

]All of the epistles are replete, confirming what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost.[/B] Death (repentance), burial (baptism) and resurrection (Holy Ghost infilling).

There is no other message - it's Acts 2:38!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Have company arriving early in the week and I need to get the house ready. Hasta luego lagarto!

Not true, PO. Never again is this "Formula" repeated in the New Testament. Not once, not close, not ever. Paul never said it, John, Peter, James, no one.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Not true, PO. Never again is this "Formula" repeated in the New Testament. Not once, not close, not ever. Paul never said it, John, Peter, James, no one.

It isn't a "formula", it's truth. We shouldn't label it as steps or a formula.

Death (repentance), burial (baptism) and resurrection (Holy Ghost infilling). There is no other message.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It isn't a "formula", it's truth. We shouldn't label it as steps or a formula.

Death (repentance), burial (baptism) and resurrection (Holy Ghost infilling). There is no other message.

Ok, we'll cross out "Formula" if that makes you feel better. Let's go with, "Sentence", "Truth", "Those three activities".

They never appear again in the bible! They are NEVER reinforced in ANY of the teachings that Paul did to the early church. Don't you think he would have talked about it somewhere? He told them how to do communion, how to conduct services, and he talked about salvation many times. But he NEVER said, "repent, be baptized in Jesus' name, and be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues" one single time. Nor did he say it in any of his missionary journeys or when called before any leaders in the book of Acts.

Why? Why wouldn't he include something that is SOOOOO important?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Ok, we'll cross out "Formula" if that makes you feel better. Let's go with, "Sentence", "Truth", "Those three activities".

They never appear again in the bible! They are NEVER reinforced in ANY of the teachings that Paul did to the early church. Don't you think he would have talked about it somewhere? He told them how to do communion, how to conduct services, and he talked about salvation many times. But he NEVER said, "repent, be baptized in Jesus' name, and be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues" one single time. Nor did he say it in any of his missionary journeys or when called before any leaders in the book of Acts.

Why? Why wouldn't he include something that is SOOOOO important?

I just showed it to you in my earlier post concerning Romans. Why do we keep trying to look past the message? I don't understand it. If Peter preached it, that's it. There is no other message. It's like we are trying to find two options for convenience sake. There are no other options.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I just showed it to you in my earlier post concerning Romans. Why do we keep trying to look past the message? I don't understand it. If Peter preached it, that's it. There is no other message. It's like we are trying to find two options for convenience sake. There are no other options.

You did? Where in Romans? Romans says to repent, be baptized in Jesus' name and to receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues?