NOW, When Is Someone Saved?

notofworks · #1 10-24-2010, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On;977685[B

]All of the epistles are replete, confirming what Peter preached on the day of Pentecost.[/B] Death (repentance), burial (baptism) and resurrection (Holy Ghost infilling).

There is no other message - it's Acts 2:38!

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

Have company arriving early in the week and I need to get the house ready. Hasta luego lagarto!

Not true, PO. Never again is this "Formula" repeated in the New Testament. Not once, not close, not ever. Paul never said it, John, Peter, James, no one.

Pressing-On · #2 10-24-2010, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Not true, PO. Never again is this "Formula" repeated in the New Testament. Not once, not close, not ever. Paul never said it, John, Peter, James, no one.

It isn't a "formula", it's truth. We shouldn't label it as steps or a formula.

Death (repentance), burial (baptism) and resurrection (Holy Ghost infilling). There is no other message.

notofworks · #3 10-24-2010, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

It isn't a "formula", it's truth. We shouldn't label it as steps or a formula.

Death (repentance), burial (baptism) and resurrection (Holy Ghost infilling). There is no other message.

Ok, we'll cross out "Formula" if that makes you feel better. Let's go with, "Sentence", "Truth", "Those three activities".

They never appear again in the bible! They are NEVER reinforced in ANY of the teachings that Paul did to the early church. Don't you think he would have talked about it somewhere? He told them how to do communion, how to conduct services, and he talked about salvation many times. But he NEVER said, "repent, be baptized in Jesus' name, and be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues" one single time. Nor did he say it in any of his missionary journeys or when called before any leaders in the book of Acts.

Why? Why wouldn't he include something that is SOOOOO important?

Pressing-On · #4 10-24-2010, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

Ok, we'll cross out "Formula" if that makes you feel better. Let's go with, "Sentence", "Truth", "Those three activities".

They never appear again in the bible! They are NEVER reinforced in ANY of the teachings that Paul did to the early church. Don't you think he would have talked about it somewhere? He told them how to do communion, how to conduct services, and he talked about salvation many times. But he NEVER said, "repent, be baptized in Jesus' name, and be filled with the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues" one single time. Nor did he say it in any of his missionary journeys or when called before any leaders in the book of Acts.

Why? Why wouldn't he include something that is SOOOOO important?

I just showed it to you in my earlier post concerning Romans. Why do we keep trying to look past the message? I don't understand it. If Peter preached it, that's it. There is no other message. It's like we are trying to find two options for convenience sake. There are no other options.

notofworks · #5 10-24-2010, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

I just showed it to you in my earlier post concerning Romans. Why do we keep trying to look past the message? I don't understand it. If Peter preached it, that's it. There is no other message. It's like we are trying to find two options for convenience sake. There are no other options.

You did? Where in Romans? Romans says to repent, be baptized in Jesus' name and to receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues?

notofworks · #6 10-24-2010, 08:08 PM

Paul brought up the subject of salvation dozens of times and never mentioned the "Three Steps." In II Corinthians 11 he talks about all the things he went through, PLUS the leading of the churches. Man, he was pretty negligent if he never told them how to be saved.

sandie · #7 10-24-2010, 08:24 PM

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Paul brought up the subject of salvation dozens of times and never mentioned the "Three Steps." In II Corinthians 11 he talks about all the things he went through, PLUS the leading of the churches. Man, he was pretty negligent if he never told them how to be saved.

You do realize the people he was speaking to was the body of Christ, these were Chrisitans.
You mention II Corth. 11, in verse 2 he says, "For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy; for I bethroted you to one husband, that to Christ I might present you as a pure virgin." He has already preached the Gospel to them, and no doubt they have already obeyed, so why would he tell them again, he hasn't even re-preached the Gospel in this chapter.
The epistles are the letters written to the saints. They are already saved.

Pressing-On · #8 10-24-2010, 08:09 PM

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You did? Where in Romans? Romans says to repent, be baptized in Jesus' name and to receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in other tongues?

You're killing me. He's talking to saved people - "to the church of....." Look it up.

Again, gotta run! We will never agree on this.

notofworks · #9 10-24-2010, 08:16 PM

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You're killing me. He's talking to saved people - "to the church of....." Look it up.

Again, gotta run! We will never agree on this.

I know, 'cause you'll never be right as long as you believe what you do!!

And the "He was talking to saved people" argument is SO ridiculous. He was talking to people that took communion but he told them how. He was talking to people that gave, but he told them how to give. He was talking to people that had the gifts of the Spirit, but he told them how they were to be used.

But suddenly, "Oh he was talking to saved people, so he didn't tell them how to be saved."

Worst argument in exegetical history.