Luk 5:10 and so also were James and John, sons of Zebedee, who were partners with Simon. And Jesus said to Simon, "Do not be afraid; from now on you will be catching men."
Pro 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and whoever captures souls is wise.
Let's go back to Luke, but again, I'm not sure why we are proof-texting Proverbs 11:30 as an evangelistic verse?
Is Proverbs referring to evangelism or winning people to God or Jesus though?
I thought the question was about what does "soul winner" mean. Did the topic change?
A soul winner is someone that "catches men" or "captures men" like a fisher captures fish.
The phrase "wins souls" is used in Proverbs and it can also mean "captures souls". Jesus in Luke was speaking spiritually, of catching men or leading them to Christ.
That answers to whether it's in the bible, which is really irrelevant. The term is used by Christians to refer to being a harvester in God's kingdom. Im not sure why we are haggling over semantics
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I thought the question was about what does "soul winner" mean. Did the topic change?
A soul winner is someone that "catches men" or "captures men" like a fisher captures fish.
The phrase "wins souls" is used in Proverbs and it can also mean "captures souls". Jesus in Luke was speaking spiritually, of catching men or leading them to Christ.
That answers to whether it's in the bible, which is really irrelevant. The term is used by Christians to refer to being a harvester in God's kingdom. Im not sure why we are haggling over semantics
I thought the question was about what does "soul winner" mean. Did the topic change?
A soul winner is someone that "catches men" or "captures men" like a fisher captures fish.
The phrase "wins souls" is used in Proverbs and it can also mean "captures souls". Jesus in Luke was speaking spiritually, of catching men or leading them to Christ.
That answers to whether it's in the bible, which is really irrelevant. The term is used by Christians to refer to being a harvester in God's kingdom. Im not sure why we are haggling over semantics
As far as I can tell this is all the same topic. What does "soul winning" meaning. Then Proverbs is the proof-text. So now we have two questions, as part of a rational flow in a conversation: what is "soul winning" (still left undefined), and what about Proverbs has anything to do with "soul winning?" You do understand the phrase "winning souls" in Proverbs has nothing to do with fish, fishing, evangelism, etc?
Leading to Christ, yes. But "winning souls" brings a new connotation to evangelism and mission that isn't part of the Gospel intention. The Spirit "wins" people (that word brings a competitiveness that is a little trite). We are heralds, proclaiming, discipling, etc... But the Spirit does the real work in evangelism, not us.
Living a Gospel-centered life, we don't have to form "evangelism teams" or have an "outreach director." We are living our lives fully in the mission of God. We are sharing with others. Being sensitive to what the Spirit is already doing. No need to grab a bull horn and tear down people's doors to invite them to "church."
Anyway... the subject is the biblical language of "soul winning." Thus far, you have more of a case to call it "fishing" since Proverbs has nothing to do with evangelism.
In the case of fishing, it's quite clear the language is figurative, and has much to do with the uncertainty of the disciples to leave behind their lives work of fishing.
As far as I can tell this is all the same topic. What does "soul winning" meaning. Then Proverbs is the proof-text. So now we have two questions, as part of a rational flow in a conversation: what is "soul winning" (still left undefined), and what about Proverbs has anything to do with "soul winning?" You do understand the phrase "winning souls" in Proverbs has nothing to do with fish, fishing, evangelism, etc?
Leading to Christ, yes. But "winning souls" brings a new connotation to evangelism and mission that isn't part of the Gospel intention. The Spirit "wins" people (that word brings a competitiveness that is a little trite). We are heralds, proclaiming, discipling, etc... But the Spirit does the real work in evangelism, not us.
Living a Gospel-centered life, we don't have to form "evangelism teams" or have an "outreach director." We are living our lives fully in the mission of God. We are sharing with others. Being sensitive to what the Spirit is already doing. No need to grab a bull horn and tear down people's doors to invite them to "church."
Anyway... the subject is the biblical language of "soul winning." Thus far, you have more of a case to call it "fishing" since Proverbs has nothing to do with evangelism.
In the case of fishing, it's quite clear the language is figurative, and has much to do with the uncertainty of the disciples to leave behind their lives work of fishing.
Apparently you didn't really read what I posted. I didn't reference the verse in proverbs to have anything to do with fishing.
I will try one last time. The term soul winning has to do with capturing men. Jesus, NOT in proverbs, speaks of being fishers of men. We are catching fish (men). Soul we refer to the process as "winning souls". Again I don't see why people are straining at a gnat over this. You think Jesus is upset we used the term "soul winners"?
Jesus was to make them fishers of MEN. Capturing MEN. You can use your own imagination but the church was not an army that took slaves like the Israelites, rather they were to lead people to the gospel of Christ and ultimately to Christ
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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