Is baptism part of the new birth?

[Esaias]

Is water baptism part of the new birth or 'born again' experience?

[Jermyn Davidson]

So interesting that I start my latest thread and this poll is up!

[Michael The Disciple]

Yes its part of the new birth. We are not "fully" saved until we are baptized.

[renee819]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Yes its part of the new birth. We are not "fully" saved until we are baptized.

AMEN!!!!

[RandyWayne]

Can't answer the poll because while it IS a commandment to do so, if one were to repent and during their walk to the baptismal pool something happened to interrupt the process -say, a heart attack, they would still be saved. The thief on the cross next to Jesus was clearly NOT baptized, but had he not been crucified (released somehow with the help of a caring Roman soldier) would have no doubt done it. We are also commanded to fellowship with other saints, but if you "get saved" and die before your first church service or ANY meeting with like minded saints, does that mean your not saved because you didn't do it?

[Esaias]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Can't answer the poll because while it IS a commandment to do so, if one were to repent and during their walk to the baptismal pool something happened to interrupt the process -say, a heart attack, they would still be saved. The thief on the cross next to Jesus was clearly NOT baptized, but had he not been crucified (released somehow with the help of a caring Roman soldier) would have no doubt done it. We are also commanded to fellowship with other saints, but if you "get saved" and die before your first church service or ANY meeting with like minded saints, does that mean your not saved because you didn't do it?

How is it you cannot answer the poll? Seems like your answer would be 'no'. The question is not 'is baptism commanded' but 'is baptism part of the new birth'.

[Abiding Now]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Can't answer the poll because while it IS a commandment to do so, if one were to repent and during their walk to the baptismal pool something happened to interrupt the process -say, a heart attack, they would still be saved. The thief on the cross next to Jesus was clearly NOT baptized, but had he not been crucified (released somehow with the help of a caring Roman soldier) would have no doubt done it. We are also commanded to fellowship with other saints, but if you "get saved" and die before your first church service or ANY meeting with like minded saints, does that mean your not saved because you didn't do it?

In all my life I've never even heard of a person dying on the way to be baptized. The guy on the cross was before the new testament church was established and was under the Old Covenant, because the testator of the New Covenant had not died.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Abiding Now

In all my life I've never even heard of a person dying on the way to be baptized. The guy on the cross was before the new testament church was established and was under the Old Covenant, because the testator of the New Covenant had not died.

My response to THAT is always, so it was EASIER to be saved in the OT than the new?

[Originalist]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

My response to THAT is always, so it was EASIER to be saved in the OT than the new?

Nobody was "saved" in the OT. Some were just spared punishment after death, waiting for Messiah to redeem them.

[returnman]

Originally Posted by Originalist

Nobody was "saved" in the OT. Some were just spared punishment after death, waiting for Messiah to redeem them.

I guess he could have responded....it was easier to escape punishment in the old testament....same point.....fortunately for the thief Jesus had not completed mission.