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Old 01-10-2011, 03:12 PM
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Christian Perspectives Concerning the Law

I'm interested in getting a thread going on the topic of the Law.

What is the Law? (10 Commandments, 614 Canonical laws, should we include those outside the canon but that were in practice?)

How did Jews view the Law? What was the original intention of the Law?

How should Christians view the Law? Paul states in Galatians that the Law is dead, no more useful, then the write of Hebrews says otherwise (are they contradicting, or are the points much finer)?

Are the primary perspectives on the Law the Dispensationalist and Covenant Theology camps?

Curious to get a pulse on AFF on this topic.


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Curious to get a pulse on AFF on this topic.
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Re: Christian Perspectives Concerning the Law

Excellent questions. Any ideas to share?
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Excellent questions. Any ideas to share?
I was waiting for you to show up and give us some ideas.
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I was waiting for you to show up and give us some ideas.
LOLOL It is not permissible for an old teacher to also sit and learn?
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LOLOL It is not permissible for an old teacher to also sit and learn?
I guess so, but there you go wanting me to think again.
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Re: Christian Perspectives Concerning the Law

There is a lot to say about it in the New Testament. The gospels should be seen as time that was under the law yet transitioning to a new and higher one. The writings of Paul concerning the law were mostly being aimed at showing believers the New Testament was superior to the old.
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I guess so, but there you go wanting me to think again.
Yep! And, we may have a few pop quizzes too!
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Re: Christian Perspectives Concerning the Law

Some feel Law is still in effect and that Paul wrote against an abuse of the Law when he downplayed it, while others like myself feel Law has expired. Expiration is not destruction. Jesus fulfilled the Law in the sense of seeing it expire.

I believe the principle can be see in the tree of Life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Paul spoke of striving to keep law, in Romans 7. He kept repeating the words "good" and "evil". Law is provision of such knowledge. The Law, itself, though is not evil. Man inherently thinks he need simply be provided with the knowledge of what is good and evil in order to take that and make himself do the good and avoid the evil. We got this compulsion from the forbidden fruit in the Garden.

Paul even stated that the law was supposed to bring life but instead brought death, in Romans 7.

Notice that God did not bring salvation immediately to Adam and Eve after they sinned. Why did not Jesus come THEN and die for mankind, instead of waiting another 4,000 years to do so, with Law coming into effect beforehand?

I believe God had to teach man a lesson before bringing grace and salvation into the picture. Had man received grace and was returned to former pre-fall status right away in Adam's day, man would still have the propensity to say, "Thanks, but I think I could have done it myself." So God had to ensure that once grace is given, man would have ample means to realize he better not think that way ever again. SO LAW CAME.

LAW is like one man said: a mirror showing us our sin.

GRACE is the mirror, the water, the soap and the wash cloth to see sin and see it removed!

With all its hundreds of rules, Law would prove to man that man cannot make Himself righteous. This is partly why Law was called a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

Paul spoke of Gentiles in Romans 1 being uncultured brutes, so to speak, as far away from being culturally trained and taught in the righteous things of God as could be. And then he spoke to the Jews in Romans 2 about how they had all the culture and truth of what is sin and what is righteous. Paul said the Jews were in no better position than the lost Gentiles, since since the Jews knew what was righteous, but were unable to live such a lifestyle. The road to righteousness through Law was an impossible road to take, and after centuries of law, Paul lists passages of scripture that said Israel was still left unrighteous, in Romans 3:10-18. And Paul said such things that describe a depraved people were written to PEOPLE UNDER LAW! Shocking, but true! Even with LAW, Israel could not cut it!

Peter even commented that Law was something they and their forefathers could not bear. Some at this point claim it is a Pharisaical distortion of Law that was unable to be borne. I disagree. Paul simply said those under Moses' law are under a curse. He said the reason was that one has to perform all the law to do it, and not fail in one point, in order to not be cursed. A person might respond and say Paul was a bit hasty in saying all under law are cursed if the curse comes due to not keeping it all successfully. But Paul was right! NO ONE COULD keep it successfully, except JESUS ALONE!

So it seems that once God thought it was enough for Israel to have a law they could not keep, but a law that rightly showed what sin really was, time arrived for GRACE to appear on the scene. Man would then have indication that he could never make himself righteous, by having the account of the Israelite experience with Law, and truly and genuinely accept grace knowing MAN NEEDS GRACE. In that manner, satan could not pull it over on man again, as he did in the Garden when he urged the woman to make herself like God.

Romans 7:6 says it is not enough to serve God, but to serve Him with the awareness of self effort being futile in overriding sin in our lives (Law keeping is self effort making self righteous), and that we instead consciously need the power of the Spirit to serve Him!
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Re: Christian Perspectives Concerning the Law

I have taken the liberty of reformatting the lead-in post so that it might be a little easier to address.
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1. What is the Law? (10 Commandments, 614 [613] Canonical laws [established by Maimonides in the twelfth century], etc. Should we include those [commandments, laws, statutes, & ordinances] outside the canon but that were in practice?)

2. How did Jews view the Law [in the first century]? [How do religious Jews view (observe) the Law today? Explain any differences.]

3. What was the original intention of the Law? [How successful was it and how/where did it succeed - or why did it fail?]

4. How should Christians [Jews and Gentile converts] view the Law? Paul states in Galatians that the Law is dead [to what], no more useful [for what], then the write[r] of Hebrews says otherwise (are they contradicting, or are the points much finer)?

5. [What] Are the primary perspectives on [of] the Law [from within] the Dispensationalist and Covenant Theology camps [if any]? [If different, can they be reconciled? How?]
Michael - looks like you were starting to jump in on question #4. I am really interested in reading your understanding of scripture that addresses that question.

Cindy - think lady - think!

Ivy Walker - you are on the hook for contributing to the resolution of all your questions too!

The rest of the community: There must be a good amount of collective wisdom out there concerning a very important topic, and here are some 'meat' questions for us to chew on. Let's dine!

Me? It's my turn to and receive a little and perhaps ask a question or two for my own clarification.

Oh yes. May our studies be fruitful.

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