Christian hostages murdered by Somali Pirates

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Do what, Jermyn? Do what? Increase military presence? This is not a nation committing these crimes. They are rogue gangsters that swarm the waters.

This is not a political liability at all. Obama is not on a boat ship, playing the part of Chuck Norris for us all, saving the day. It's disgusting the way many have made these murders another political rant against Obama. In fact, it's out of bounds!

This is a matter of concern for the entire international community.

There isn't a nation over there-- which is all the more reason for us to do something substantial to change that problem.

Why should we do something about it? Because Americans were killed-- while we were NEGOTIATING with them nonetheless!

YES President Obama stands criticism for this FAILURE of EPIC proportions! It happened on his watch. Furthermore, this isn't the first time that Americans have been captured by these pirates.

OUR PRESIDENT NEEDS TO LEAD!


This IS a Chrsitian response.

I am a Christian and this is my response.


We pray for the souls of the dead.
We pray and attempt to comfort the hearts of their living loved ones and in honor of the senseless MURDERS of our AMERICAN citizens, we go!

We go to those waters were our brothers and sisters were killed and we clean house.

Plainly speaking, we go there and we kill the pirates that fight us in our efforts to bring lawfulness and peace to that region.

Christianity does allow for killing of other people.
This is one of those occasions where a military response is not just necessary, but indeed it has been INVITED by the actions of the pirates that had the GUMPTION to KILL our citizens while our MILITARY was attempting to NEGOTIATE PEACEFULLY!


The Somali pirates in that region have asked for it.

We need to bring it and do so speedily!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There isn't a nation over there-- which is all the more reason for us to do something substantial to change that problem.

Why should we do something about it? Because Americans were killed-- while we were NEGOTIATING with them nonetheless!

YES President Obama stands criticism for this FAILURE of EPIC proportions! It happened on his watch. Furthermore, this isn't the first time that Americans have been captured by these pirates.

OUR PRESIDENT NEEDS TO LEAD!


This IS a Chrsitian response.

I am a Christian and this is my response.


We pray for the souls of the dead.
We pray and attempt to comfort the hearts of their living loved ones and in honor of the senseless MURDERS of our AMERICAN citizens, we go!

We go to those waters were our brothers and sisters were killed and we clean house.

Plainly speaking, we go there and we kill the pirates that fight us in our efforts to bring lawfulness and peace to that region.

Christianity does allow for killing of other people.
This is one of those occasions where a military response is not just necessary, but indeed it has been INVITED by the actions of the pirates that had the GUMPTION to KILL our citizens while our MILITARY was attempting to NEGOTIATE PEACEFULLY!


The Somali pirates in that region have asked for it.

We need to bring it and do so speedily!

[Jermyn Davidson]

How many American citizens have been harrassed by Somali pirates on President Obama's watch?

Why would he not be responsible?

That's what Executives are-- RESPONSIBLE!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

How many American citizens have been harrassed by Somali pirates on President Obama's watch?

Why would he not be responsible?

That's what Executives are-- RESPONSIBLE!

This is an international crisis, not exclusively USA.

Your call for invaded a sovereign border is a lousy precedent at already unstable times. Greater military presence is probably best. Still never fool-proof. These are first civilian casualties.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There isn't a nation over there-- which is all the more reason for us to do something substantial to change that problem.

Why should we do something about it? Because Americans were killed-- while we were NEGOTIATING with them nonetheless!

YES President Obama stands criticism for this FAILURE of EPIC proportions! It happened on his watch. Furthermore, this isn't the first time that Americans have been captured by these pirates.

OUR PRESIDENT NEEDS TO LEAD!


This IS a Chrsitian response.



I am a Christian and this is my response.


We pray for the souls of the dead.
We pray and attempt to comfort the hearts of their living loved ones and in honor of the senseless MURDERS of our AMERICAN citizens, we go!

We go to those waters were our brothers and sisters were killed and we clean house.

Plainly speaking, we go there and we kill the pirates that fight us in our efforts to bring lawfulness and peace to that region.

Christianity does allow for killing of other people.
This is one of those occasions where a military response is not just necessary, but indeed it has been INVITED by the actions of the pirates that had the GUMPTION to KILL our citizens while our MILITARY was attempting to NEGOTIATE PEACEFULLY!


The Somali pirates in that region have asked for it.

We need to bring it and do so speedily!

Negotiating is standard military procedure when innocent civilians are hostages.

Fortunately, the last show down resulted in 0 innocent casualties since during negotiating snipers had a clear shot. Obama gave 100% auth to engage militarily as needed with the captors.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

There isn't a nation over there-- which is all the more reason for us to do something substantial to change that problem.

Why should we do something about it? Because Americans were killed-- while we were NEGOTIATING with them nonetheless!

YES President Obama stands criticism for this FAILURE of EPIC proportions! It happened on his watch. Furthermore, this isn't the first time that Americans have been captured by these pirates.

OUR PRESIDENT NEEDS TO LEAD!


This IS a Chrsitian response.

I am a Christian and this is my response.


We pray for the souls of the dead.
We pray and attempt to comfort the hearts of their living loved ones and in honor of the senseless MURDERS of our AMERICAN citizens, we go!

We go to those waters were our brothers and sisters were killed and we clean house.

Plainly speaking, we go there and we kill the pirates that fight us in our efforts to bring lawfulness and peace to that region.

Christianity does allow for killing of other people.
This is one of those occasions where a military response is not just necessary, but indeed it has been INVITED by the actions of the pirates that had the GUMPTION to KILL our citizens while our MILITARY was attempting to NEGOTIATE PEACEFULLY!


The Somali pirates in that region have asked for it.

We need to bring it and do so speedily!

From the Halls of Montezuma,
To the shores of Tripoli;
We fight our country's battles
In the air, on land, and sea;.....

[Socialite]

Blood, war and revenge. Totally sounds like Mt 5-7 ethics -- not!!

Note: Somolia is a nation, not sure where you got your facts on that one. Also, did you read Sec Clinton's statement posted?

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Blood, war and revenge. Totally sounds like Mt 5-7 ethics -- not!!

Note: Somolia is a nation, not sure where you got your facts on that one. Also, did you read Sec Clinton's statement posted?

"Blood" and "war" need not necessarily involve "revenge." Making war against the pirates could be argued as a means of preventing future bloodshed. These pirates have shown themselves to be willing to kill their hostages in the past.

Of course, effectively wiping out the murderers without resorting to carpet bombing of the coast is going to be dicey. Somalia is a "nation" in name only. It's not a state and has no government outside of the warring tribes. Which tribes are more friendly toward Western and International interests and which are more prone to violence and bloodshed?

It's a mess where no warlord has been powerful enough to get the others to bow - so it remains a mess. Add to it, there is really little short term interest for anyone over there to change things. At least as things stand now. The people need hope. They need to see that civilized behavior can be at least as rewarding as piracy and their eternal feuds.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by pelathais

"Blood" and "war" need not necessarily involve "revenge." Making war against the pirates could be argued as a means of preventing future bloodshed. These pirates have shown themselves to be willing to kill their hostages in the past.

Of course, effectively wiping out the murderers without resorting to carpet bombing of the coast is going to be dicey. Somalia is a "nation" in name only. It's not a state and has no government outside of the warring tribes. Which tribes are more friendly toward Western and International interests and which are more prone to violence and bloodshed?

It's a mess where no warlord has been powerful enough to get the others to bow - so it remains a mess. Add to it, there is really little short term interest for anyone over there to change things. At least as things stand now. The people need hope. They need to see that civilized behavior can be at least as rewarding as piracy and their eternal feuds.

I think there's no question that a greater military presence (internationally) is required in this region. More than what we have there. That's also risky and vulnerable for the US, anytime we have sizable forces somewhere. Right now, it's almost best to have alternative routes (which is what this one was) and to secure those waters. Picking and choosing battles.

Either way, as a Christian, the idea of me screaming "WAR!" just never settles right.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by Socialite

I find your humor about victims and brothers who haven't even been deceased for 24 hours insensitive. And yet you insist...

I'm the insensitive one when you are the one that decided their deaths would make a good discussion starter on the "conflict of dual citizenship" as you put it?