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pelathais · #**101** 02-23-2011, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

God was pretty harsh towards idolatry. I grew up catholic so it's notm against people but the religion itself.

But why are you saying that all Catholics participate in idolatry? Did you worship the statues and other art work? Don't feel that you have to answer that, but I too was raised Catholic. I was instructed rather closely as a child until I was about eleven.

I took the instructions seriously; so seriously that when I became convinced that they deviated from the Bible I rebelled against my own Catholicism - as an eleven year old kid. But, at no time did I ever "worship" an image or statue nor was I ever instructed to do so.

When you look at the RCC's actual teachings you see that they do not teach idolatry. I do know that there are many Catholics around the globe who hold processions and other events that at least give the appearance of idolatry, and you hear many Catholics speaking as though their religious experience involves idolatry.

But I don't think it's fair to say the whole institution is "idolatrous." That accusation will ring hallow with most American Catholics. Let's "get them" at the points where we know they err and not lump disparate cultures from around the globe into one unwieldy mass - In fact, that's what the RCC has historically tried to do and we can call them on that.

RandyWayne · #**102** 02-23-2011, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

But why are you saying that all Catholics participate in idolatry? Did you worship the statues and other art work? Don't feel that you have to answer that, but I too was raised Catholic. I was instructed rather closely as a child until I was about eleven.

I took the instructions seriously; so seriously that when I became convinced that they deviated from the Bible I rebelled against my own Catholicism - as an eleven year old kid. But, at no time did I ever "worship" an image or statue nor was I ever instructed to do so.

When you look at the RCC's actual teachings you see that they do not teach idolatry. I do know that there are many Catholics around the globe who hold processions and other events that at least give the appearance of idolatry, and you hear many Catholics speaking as though their religious experience involves idolatry.

But I don't think it's fair to say the whole institution is "idolatrous." That accusation will ring hallow with most American Catholics. Let's "get them" at the points where we know they err and not lump disparate cultures from around the globe into one unwieldy mass - In fact, that's what the RCC has historically tried to do and we can call them on that.

I too was raised RC until the age of 12. The only idol worship I remember was the near-worship of the holy Rosary. I often heard stories of it being used to ward off evil in the home -both spiritual and physical, and how it was draped over someone suffering from illness only to have that person healed. Or even how it would be clutched in a death grip as a method to try and convince God to answer your prayer.

Yes, the RC DID practice idolatry!

NotforSale · #**103** 02-23-2011, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

You still didn't answer the question.

Yes I did. I said we don't know.

I think Heaven will be full of surprises. In previous discussions, you seem to run away when the facts are revealed.

You kept ranting on about Idolaters being lost in another Thread, and I asked you a point, blank question and you disappeared. If you’re so sure of yourself, you should be able to answer this question;

"Was Solomon lost?"

Sam · #**104** 02-23-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I too was raised RC until the age of 12. The only idol worship I remember was the near-worship of the holy Rosary. I often heard stories of it being used to ward off evil in the home -both spiritual and physical, and how it was draped over someone suffering from illness only to have that person healed. Or even how it would be clutched in a death grip as a method to try and convince God to answer your prayer.

Yes, the RC DID practice idolatry!

sorta like HMH?

RandyWayne · #**105** 02-23-2011, 04:01 PM

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sorta like HMH?

Shhhhh..... people were supposed to make the connection on their own.

Truthseeker · #**106** 02-23-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by NotforSale

Yes I did. I said we don't know.

I think Heaven will be full of surprises. In previous discussions, you seem to run away when the facts are revealed.

You kept ranting on about Idolaters being lost in another Thread, and I asked you a point, blank question and you disappeared. If you’re so sure of yourself, you should be able to answer this question;

"Was Solomon lost?"

. I asked "Is anyone not saved", your answer is you don't know?

I don't remember what you asked me on the other thread, but it's simple, according to APOSTLE Paul idolators will not inherit the kingdom of God. Do you agree?

Solomon, I don't know, don't read where it says one way or another. Don't think he's in the hall of faith in hebrews but Samson is. Either way, things in OT for our example so that we whould not lust after evil things not justify them.

Socialite · #**107** 02-23-2011, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker

. I asked "Is anyone not saved", your answer is you don't know?

I don't remember what you asked me on the other thread, but it's simple, according to APOSTLE Paul idolators will not inherit the kingdom of God. Do you agree?

Solomon, I don't know, don't read where it says one way or another. Don't think he's in the hall of faith in hebrews but Samson is. Either way, things in OT for our example so that we whould not lust after evil things not justify them.

So one of the writers of our Bible is in hell?

Truthseeker · #**108** 02-23-2011, 04:27 PM

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So one of the writers of our Bible is in hell?

Don't know, do you?

Was paul wrong for teaching idolators will not inherit the kingdom?

Socialite · #**109** 02-23-2011, 04:49 PM

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Don't know, do you?

Was paul wrong for teaching idolators will not inherit the kingdom?

People who trust in, rely on, believe in, and give heart-reverence to anything above God surely have no hope.

I'm not sure I'd carte blanche call Catholicism idolatry.

So back to your question... were you speculating that the writer of our Wisdom genre in scripture is in hell? You aren't confident that we are reading words of a brother?

Truthseeker · #**110** 02-23-2011, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Socialite

People who trust in, rely on, believe in, and give heart-reverence to anything above God surely have no hope.

I'm not sure I'd carte blanche call Catholicism idolatry.

So back to your question... were you speculating that the writer of our Wisdom genre in scripture is in hell? You aren't confident that we are reading words of a brother?

No I'm not speculating he's in hell, either way it doesn't matter cayse if he in heaven it wouldn't justify idoalatry, would it?

Was paul wrong for teaching idolators will not inherit the kingdom?