THIS is True Love!!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Great, so how about this:

"Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God."

Based on the Word of God, if a man isn't born of the water, which is being baptized in Jesus name which is the official position of this forum, and if a man isn't born of the Spirit, which is receiving the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues, which is the official position of this forum, that man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven!

And if a man cannot enter into the kingdom of heaven, the only other option is to spend an eternity in a devil's hell!!

So if a man is not baptized in Jesus name (born of the water) and filled with the Holy Ghost (born of the Spirit), that man will not go to heaven but will spend an eternity in a devil's hell!

CAN I SAY THAT????

You've never answered why you think "being born of the water" is "baptism in Jesus name."

There are TWO BIRTHS being spoken of here. The "First Birth" ("... my mother's womb" - Nicodemus) and the "Second Birth" ("You must be born again..." - Jesus).

Jesus said that you have to be born twice. The "First Birth" and the "Second Birth."

You must be born "of the water" (The First Birth) and "The Spirit" (the Second Birth).

Just where is baptism mentioned at all in this context?

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

The italicized words in your position statement were added by you. You can say that on this forum, and you can say that's your opinion, based on your understanding of scripture, but to those who interpret it a different way, you cannot judge them and sentence them to hell.

I understand it's the official position of this forum, and to those who don't agree with it, maybe it's time for us to go somewhere else, but to put someone in hell because they don't agree with your extrapolation is against the Word.

I've posted scripture that indicates that believing on the Lord Jesus Christ is what is required for salvation, and I've been told several times in the past hour that I'm preaching false doctrine.

So, what's good for the goose is good for the gander!

Are you saying that you, one of the names I saw on the Administrator list, DO NOT AGREE WITH THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THIS FORUM????

Brother, if I cannot say what I said in the opening post of this thread, then indeed, IT IS TIME FOR ME TO LEAVE and depart just as all the other conservative brethren have done!!!

And if you are NOT in agreement with the basic foundations of Apostolic Friends Forum, then brother, with all due respect, it would be time for you to leave the leadership!!

That's my opinion.

[tv1a]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I listen to a lot of you pretend-Apostolics talk about grace and love and forgiveness and acceptance and all kinds of touchy-gooey stuff that you think is love. But accepting someone as they are and never demanding repentance, never telling them the truth of their condition IS NOT LOVE!!!

So I just want to tell all of you that:


...have not obeyed Acts 2:38,

...that do not teach it as the ONLY way to salvation,

...who don't demand that trinitarians be re-baptized,

...you men that think it's ok to grow your hair long and wear shorts,

...you women who cut your hair, wear makeup, and wear pants,

...who have not embraced the Oneness of God,


I love all of you SO much that I must tell you, if any of that list described you, you will burn in a devil's hell for all eternity. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and you will be one of them!! You won't care about your makeup and jewelry and shorts then!! Jesus will not trip through the aisles of a dark movie theatre to include you in the rapture!!!!

Now THAT is true love!!!

There is no scripture which says a person will go to hell if they don't embrace the oneness doctrine.

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Are you saying that you, one of the names I saw on the Administrator list, DO NOT AGREE WITH THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THIS FORUM????

Brother, if I cannot say what I said in the opening post of this thread, then indeed, IT IS TIME FOR ME TO LEAVE and depart just as all the other conservative brethren have done!!!

And if you are NOT in agreement with the basic foundations of Apostolic Friends Forum, then brother, with all due respect, it would be time for you to leave the leadership!!

That's my opinion.

Your opinion is welcome, but your statements like "pretend apostolics and greasy gracers" are not welcome here.

If I called you a "Phariseeical self righteous viper" I would be infracted, and rightfully so.

And, my beliefs are my personal beliefs, and I won't openly debate any positions on this forum that I do not agree with - and when and if it's ever time for me to leave this forum, it will be my decision, not yours.

Everyone is welcome to post on this forum as long as they keep it respectful and do not openly debate the tenets of the forum.

If my brother and sister Admins feel that I should leave my position, I would certainly respect that and comply, but my dear friend, you will not be the determining factor in that decision!

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Your opinion is welcome, but your statements like "pretend apostolics and greasy gracers" are not welcome here.

If I called you a "Phariseeical self righteous viper" I would be infracted, and rightfully so.

And, my beliefs are my personal beliefs, and I won't openly debate any positions on this forum that I do not agree with - and when and if it's ever time for me to leave this forum, it will be my decision, not yours.

Everyone is welcome to post on this forum as long as they keep it respectful and do not openly debate the tenets of the forum.

If my brother and sister Admins feel that I should leave my position, I would certainly respect that and comply, but my dear friend, you will not be the determining factor in that decision!

I'm sorry, but if a person calls themselves something, but doesn't hold true to any of the core values of the thing they're calling themselves, that's called "Pretending"! And use your forum search engine and find out how many times the term "Greasy Gracer" has been used here! Guess where I learned and first heard the term? Wanna guess? I FIRST HEARD OF IT ON APOSTOLIC FRIENDS FORUM!!! And now I'm in trouble because I used a term that was basically introduced here?

Go ahead and call me a, "Phariseeical self righteous viper". You called me much worse by private message! And just in case anyone wants to punish me for saying that, I did NOT reveal anything that was said.

I think I hate the day I ever signed up for this place. Some of the old conservatives that used to be here warned me this would happen, and they were right.

All I did was recite the age-old values and core teachings of The United Pentecostal Church, the teachings that have been given for decades. And you shot me for it.

No wonder Epley and the others left. You all don't deserve them.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I'm sorry, but if a person calls themselves something, but doesn't hold true to any of the core values of the thing they're calling themselves, that's called "Pretending"! And use your forum search engine and find out how many times the term "Greasy Gracer" has been used here! Guess where I learned and first heard the term? Wanna guess? I FIRST HEARD OF IT ON APOSTOLIC FRIENDS FORUM!!! And now I'm in trouble because I used a term that was basically introduced here?

Go ahead and call me a, "Phariseeical self righteous viper". You called me much worse by private message! And just in case anyone wants to punish me for saying that, I did NOT reveal anything that was said.

I think I hate the day I ever signed up for this place. Some of the old conservatives that used to be here warned me this would happen, and they were right.

All I did was recite the age-old values and core teachings of The United Pentecostal Church, the teachings that have been given for decades. And you shot me for it.

No wonder Epley and the others left. You all don't deserve them.

Ya know, when Epley threatened to leave, people came out of the wood work to beg and plead, Capt Kirk like ("We... need you! We... are stronger WITH you..... then without you!"). I don't think you will get that same reaction.

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

Are you saying that you, one of the names I saw on the Administrator list, DO NOT AGREE WITH THE OFFICIAL POSITION OF THIS FORUM????

Brother, if I cannot say what I said in the opening post of this thread, then indeed, IT IS TIME FOR ME TO LEAVE and depart just as all the other conservative brethren have done!!!

And if you are NOT in agreement with the basic foundations of Apostolic Friends Forum, then brother, with all due respect, it would be time for you to leave the leadership!!

That's my opinion.

OPII,

I'm appalled at your statement toward Michael Phelps. This forum is for all Apostolics...EVERY FLAVOR of Apostolic! Not just YOUR flavor!!!

We don't REQUIRE anyone to hold to the basic tenets of the Apostolic faith as outlined in our definition to be a member here. We have that there so other Apostolics will understand what kind of Apostolic is generally represented here! Michael Phelps was invited to be a part of this Admin Team because of his great character and wisdom in dealing with people. As well as the fact that we want a diverse team to keep a fair balance on this board.

We want a place where Conservative, Moderate, and Liberal feel welcome, not just YOU! It's not all about YOU! So please, do us all a favor and get over yourself already!

[The Mrs]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I'm sorry, but if a person calls themselves something, but doesn't hold true to any of the core values of the thing they're calling themselves, that's called "Pretending"! And use your forum search engine and find out how many times the term "Greasy Gracer" has been used here! Guess where I learned and first heard the term? Wanna guess? I FIRST HEARD OF IT ON APOSTOLIC FRIENDS FORUM!!! And now I'm in trouble because I used a term that was basically introduced here?

Go ahead and call me a, "Phariseeical self righteous viper". You called me much worse by private message! And just in case anyone wants to punish me for saying that, I did NOT reveal anything that was said.

I think I hate the day I ever signed up for this place. Some of the old conservatives that used to be here warned me this would happen, and they were right.

All I did was recite the age-old values and core teachings of The United Pentecostal Church, the teachings that have been given for decades. And you shot me for it.

No wonder Epley and the others left. You all don't deserve them.

And what's REALLY funny is the fact that it was those UC's who wrote the rules that you just got in trouble for!

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by The Mrs

And what's REALLY funny is the fact that it was those UC's who wrote the rules that you just got in trouble for!

And it is those same UC's that won't let any of us 1 steppers and greasy gracers to even read any of the posts on their message boards, much less submit anything.

And now OldPaths will go back to his crowd, thumping his chest -probably using the analogy of Danial in the Lions Den or the fiery furnace as examples of his time here.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

I'm sorry, but if a person calls themselves something, but doesn't hold true to any of the core values of the thing they're calling themselves, that's called "Pretending"! And use your forum search engine and find out how many times the term "Greasy Gracer" has been used here! Guess where I learned and first heard the term? Wanna guess? I FIRST HEARD OF IT ON APOSTOLIC FRIENDS FORUM!!! And now I'm in trouble because I used a term that was basically introduced here?

Go ahead and call me a, "Phariseeical self righteous viper". You called me much worse by private message! And just in case anyone wants to punish me for saying that, I did NOT reveal anything that was said.

I think I hate the day I ever signed up for this place. Some of the old conservatives that used to be here warned me this would happen, and they were right.

All I did was recite the age-old values and core teachings of The United Pentecostal Church, the teachings that have been given for decades. And you shot me for it.

No wonder Epley and the others left. You all don't deserve them.

Neither you nor anyone else has EVER been able to demonstrate just how your beliefs could ever be called "age old." You haven't even been able to name a SINGLE person who preached YOUR message before 1937.

That's how NEW your doctrine is. That's how much of an innovation it is. People like you come on here spouting and boasting so much of themselves - and then when they get pressed for answers, they "just hate the day they ever signed up."

Wouldn't it be easier to actually do a little studying before you pounce on people? You got fed your own lunch - that's what you "hate." You thought you could just scream and shout your novelty creed and no one would hold your feet to the fire.

You learned otherwise... and that's why "the others" have left. They didn't like being asked questions about the Bible that they had no answers for. They thought they knew the Book. But the truth hurts. Quit your whining. Answer the questions that I've been putting to you... IF you still want to play the PUBLIC FORUM game.

... or otherwise just go and hide out and lick your wounds. You got "served" dude. And you couldn't take it. So much for your condemnation and name calling. Put up or ... or just go hide with "the others."

The Bible has a message that's not afraid of the light - because it is The Light.

As for the "core teachings of the United Pentecostal Church"... have you ever read the ORIGINAL UPC Manual? Have you asked DKB about the proposed changes to the REPENTANCE section of the Articles of Faith? Have you ever read the Articles of Faith? You're clueless, Bro. Hit the books.