The Slippery Emergent Slope

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Understood. But I struggle with the idea that God created life just because He felt the need to burn nearly all of it torment for 99.9999999% of its existence. That troubles me.

If you take the hard core 3-step doctrine to its logical limits and and truly believe that 99% of all humans born will burn for countless eons in hells flame, shouldn't abortion doctors be held up as heroes? After all what is an intense but quick, amount of pain for the certainty that you will live in eternal bliss versus the 99% chance of the alternative?

And no one yet has even attempted to tackle the question of all those beings living in North and South America, not to mention countless other islands and lands who started dying after the events of Acts chapter 2?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

If you take the hard core 3-step doctrine to its logical limits and and truly believe that 99% of all humans born will burn for countless eons in hells flame, shouldn't abortion doctors be held up as heroes? After all what is an intense but quick, amount of pain for the certainty that you will live in eternal bliss versus the 99% chance of the alternative?

And no one yet has even attempted to tackle the question of all those beings living in North and South America, not to mention countless other islands and lands who started dying after the events of Acts chapter 2?

Be prepared to get blasted!

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

If you take the hard core 3-step doctrine to its logical limits and and truly believe that 99% of all humans born will burn for countless eons in hells flame, shouldn't abortion doctors be held up as heroes? After all what is an intense but quick, amount of pain for the certainty that you will live in eternal bliss versus the 99% chance of the alternative?

And no one yet has even attempted to tackle the question of all those beings living in North and South America, not to mention countless other islands and lands who started dying after the events of Acts chapter 2?

You make excellent points, RW.

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

If you take the hard core 3-step doctrine to its logical limits and and truly believe that 99% of all humans born will burn for countless eons in hells flame, shouldn't abortion doctors be held up as heroes? After all what is an intense but quick, amount of pain for the certainty that you will live in eternal bliss versus the 99% chance of the alternative?

And no one yet has even attempted to tackle the question of all those beings living in North and South America, not to mention countless other islands and lands who started dying after the events of Acts chapter 2?

No "hard core 3 Stepper" will ever address those problems. They just need some sort of band-aid to come over a pulpit reassuring them that they just "shouldn't bother to think about such things" and they'll be happy and slapping the preacher high-fives at Chili's within the hour.

It's comforting to be told that you "shouldn't think." And besides, Chili's got some great burgers.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

If you take the hard core 3-step doctrine to its logical limits and and truly believe that 99% of all humans born will burn for countless eons in hells flame, shouldn't abortion doctors be held up as heroes? After all what is an intense but quick, amount of pain for the certainty that you will live in eternal bliss versus the 99% chance of the alternative?

And no one yet has even attempted to tackle the question of all those beings living in North and South America, not to mention countless other islands and lands who started dying after the events of Acts chapter 2?

I have a friend that I haven't seen in years who is a staunch Lutheran, Missouri (it is sometimes jokingly referred to as Misery) Synod, who was very much against abortion and believed that all those aborted babies went to hell because they were not baptized.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

If you take the hard core 3-step doctrine to its logical limits and and truly believe that 99% of all humans born will burn for countless eons in hells flame, shouldn't abortion doctors be held up as heroes? After all what is an intense but quick, amount of pain for the certainty that you will live in eternal bliss versus the 99% chance of the alternative?

And no one yet has even attempted to tackle the question of all those beings living in North and South America, not to mention countless other islands and lands who started dying after the events of Acts chapter 2?

The "light doctrine) does address that problem.

Bishop G.T. Haywood in his book on The Resurrection says this concerning the second resurrection and Great White Throne Judgment of Daniel 12:2; Matthew 25:31-46; John 5:28-29; and Revelation 20:11-15:

"In this resurrection is included all the righteous men of all
ages who walked in all the light that they were given. It is my candid
opinion that all heathen, Israelites, Christian professors who have
never heard the true gospel of Christ and those who die during
the millennium, walking in the light of their times will be given
eternal life at the last resurrection."

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Apprehended

S.G. Norris was teaching at the Bogalusa, La. Bible Conference about 1965, as I recall. In his discourse on his understanding of the light doctrine, he believed that his Presbyterian Aunt who had raised him would be saved since she was a godly woman, prayed much, etc., etc.... He explained that she never heard the Acts 2:38 message. He felt sure had she heard it, she would have obeyed it. Thought she had long since been dead at the time, he felt sure he would see her in heaven.

I raised my hand. He ignored me. I kept my hand raised. There were a house full of preachers there including the entire La. Dist. Board and Supt. C.G. Weeks and my pastor G.A. Mangun, none of whom believed Norris' doctrine. I was surprised that none of them spoke up.

Since he did not recognize my hand, I stood up with a still raised hand. He could not ignore this young, crew cut, wet behind the ears, fool-hardy enough to question his eminence, the venerable S.G. Norris.

"YEAH, WHADAYAWANT," he growled looking at me with eyes blazing with disdain.

"Brother Norris, in view of what you just said concerning your aunt, would you please explain the scripture, "If our Gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are LOST?"

He looked at me with fury and swelled up like a toad. He slowly walked down to where I was still standing. He grabbed me by the left arm and I could feel his finger nails digging into my flesh. He then pulled me out from where I was standing, and leading me up one aisle and down the other asking me periodically, "WELL WHADAYALOOKIN'FOR????? He repeatedly asked me as he looked from left to right. "TELL ME WHEN YOU SEE IT..."

Finally, when I said, "I have no idea what WE are looking for," he took me back to where I was standing, pushed me into the pew and said, "THAT'SWHATI'MTALKINGBOUT." If you don't have any idea what you are looking for, how is it that you are going to find it."

I stood back up to ask him again how he would explain, "If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost." The wife whispered, "It might be better to just let him off the hook."

I did. I sat back down. But, I have that incident on an old reel to reel tape recording.

Fine story, brave young man, however, what does "lost" mean? Big stretch from "lost" to annihiliation or endless torment. The one "lost" sheep, surely couldn't "see the gospel" but the Shepherd found him anyway!! Jesus said HE came to seek AND to save the "lost", so I would say that the "lost" are in a very good position!

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by pelathais

No "hard core 3 Stepper" will ever address those problems. They just need some sort of band-aid to come over a pulpit reassuring them that they just "shouldn't bother to think about such things" and they'll be happy and slapping the preacher high-fives at Chili's within the hour.

It's comforting to be told that you "shouldn't think." And besides, Chili's got some great burgers.

"That's what I'm talking about", I'm sure glad God is not depending on "men" to redeem HIS creation.

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

But neither is Jesus' message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpkhDAfVA5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqHML...eature=related

Glad you've come over to the greater hope, dear Jason??

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by Raven

Don't you go and worry about Crakjak. He's my brother and he's just fine!

Thank you, my friend, that sticks closer than a brother!!! I'm enjoying this thread, Rob Bell, has a insatiable desire to know God as He really is, sounds like he getting the same education that you and have I received. And mine is not finished yet, yours?

God is awesome, and passed "finding out"!!! Yet, may we all, never stop searching.