We have to Be perfect in order to make heaven

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by NorCal

According to Paul, we must "Die Daily"
According to Peter, "Be Ye Holy, for I AM Holy"

If you live by the WHOLE BIBLE you will be perfected unto Christ.

The problem with Christian Society is that they like to pick and choose.
OSAS do not follow Peter or Paul or even Christs teachings.
Pure Legalists do not rely enough on "Faith in Christ"

It takes both, Works displaying your Faith.
Remember, Jesus did not come to destroy The Law (for he WAS the Law/Word) but to Fulfill The Law.

As a Christian you must
1) Believe that God Is
2) That he is a rewarder of those that seek him
3) That Jesus Christ is God
4) And follow all the teachings of Christ and his Apostles


Yes as you follow Christ, your ways, thoughts, and actions will change.

Biblically, the only thing you NEED to get to heaven is "Christ in you, the hope of glory" as this will lead you to be "the image of Christ". Remember, we are the "Clay on the Potters Wheel". We are being transformed into the Image of Christ.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by NorCal

According to Paul, we must "Die Daily"
According to Peter, "Be Ye Holy, for I AM Holy"

If you live by the WHOLE BIBLE you will be perfected unto Christ.

The problem with Christian Society is that they like to pick and choose.
OSAS do not follow Peter or Paul or even Christs teachings.
Pure Legalists do not rely enough on "Faith in Christ"

It takes both, Works displaying your Faith.
Remember, Jesus did not come to destroy The Law (for he WAS the Law/Word) but to Fulfill The Law.

As a Christian you must
1) Believe that God Is
2) That he is a rewarder of those that seek him
3) That Jesus Christ is God
4) And follow all the teachings of Christ and his Apostles


Yes as you follow Christ, your ways, thoughts, and actions will change.

Biblically, the only thing you NEED to get to heaven is "Christ in you, the hope of glory" as this will lead you to be "the image of Christ". Remember, we are the "Clay on the Potters Wheel". We are being transformed into the Image of Christ.

Good points.

I think the issue is that we often put the cart before the horse. Realizing who Jesus is, and having a relationship with Him is foundational. Appropriating all that Christ died to provide us comes next. Good works are the result of appropriating the truths of Scripture. Not a means to righteousness, pleasing God, or earning salvation. We do good works because we are saved...not to be saved or to keep salvation. When we were saved...did we receive the Holy Ghost by faith... or by the keeping of the Law? Did you have to "get right" for a probationary period before receiving the Holy Ghost? No. You repented (a change of mind regarding yourself and God) and received it by faith. Having begun in faith... are we now made perfect by the Law? Nope. We who live in Christ Jesus live by faith. The works are merely fruit from this union with Christ Jesus.

[LUKE2447]

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. 8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. 9 And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.

You don't know if you willunto the end and you stand before God as we will give a account.

Matthew 12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. 11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. 12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

We will be found good or bad stewards at judgment...

Luke 16:1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. 2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward.

1Co 4:2 Moreover, it is required of stewards that they be found trustworthy.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by any human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.
1Co 4:4 For I am not aware of anything against myself, but I am not thereby acquitted. It is the Lord who judges me.
1Co 4:5 Therefore do not pronounce judgment before the time, before the Lord comes, who will bring to light the things now hidden in darkness and will disclose the purposes of the heart. Then each one will receive his commendation from God.



(Rom. 2:6-7) “God will give(which is a appointed time of bestowing) to each person according to what he has done. To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, He will give eternal life. But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.”

(2 Cor. 5:10) “For we must all(Christians clearly included) appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive what is due him for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.”

[mfblume]

As soon as we look to our obedience as what pays our way into glory, we have been stolen from being in Christ, if we were ever in Him due to standing on nothing but His shed blood for our salvation. Good works must be maintained, but never considered the ticket to glory. HIS CROSS ALONE pays my way into Heaven. Good works only keep me from losing that.

Let none consider their good works and judgment for rewards as what brought them into heaven. God will surely keep us out if we look to those works. That is not to say good works have no part in our salvation at all. But the part they have is NOT what made the difference to take us into glory.

[TGBTG]

Ok, let me just say I don't know about y'all, but I am 100% sure I'm gonna be in heaven!!!

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.

Do you realize I have the righteousness of God?

No man is righteous enough for heaven, but wait, I have the righteousness of Him that rules heaven!!! Go figure!

Makes me wanna jump.
Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS (only because of what Jesus did for me). Now, tell me how can God, who is holy and just send me to hell when I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS? I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS.

Do I still sin? Yes!, but the blood of Jesus cleanses me from my sins. Should I remain sin and claim grace, absolutely not.

Rom 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

I am dead to sin and alive to God!, wohoo!!!!

I have been born again!!! Born to die no more.. Glory!!!!!!!!!!!1

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Ok, let me just say I don't know about y'all, but I am 100% sure I'm gonna be in heaven!!!

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.

Do you realize I have the righteousness of God?

No man is righteous enough for heaven, but wait, I have the righteousness of Him that rules heaven!!! Go figure!

Makes me wanna jump.
Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS (only because of what Jesus did for me). Now, tell me how can God, who is holy and just send me to hell when I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS? I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS.

Do I still sin? Yes!, but the blood of Jesus cleanses me from my sins. Should I remain sin and claim grace, absolutely not.

Rom 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

I am dead to sin and alive to God!, wohoo!!!!

I have been born again!!! Born to die no more.. Glory!!!!!!!!!!!1

You got it! NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD! Flesh wants to glory in obedient works, as though AT LEAST TWO CENTS' worth of OUR works gets us into heaven, as though Jesus did not pay the whole shot but for two cents.

The Jews made the grave error of going about to establish their own righteousness, instead of accepting the righteousness from God. This idea of righteousness being justice so misses the mark and is bait for legalism. Righteousness is right standing with God. And THAT WAS A GIFT! How is justice a free gift?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

You got it! NOTHING BUT THE BLOOD! Flesh wants to glory in obedient works, as though AT LEAST TWO CENTS' worth of OUR works gets us into heaven, as though Jesus did not pay the whole shot but for two cents.

The Jews made the grave error of going about to establish their own righteousness, instead of accepting the righteousness from God. This idea of righteousness being justice so misses the mark and is bait for legalism. Righteousness is right standing with God. And THAT WAS A GIFT! How is justice a free gift?

LOL you cannot even see that his person is OSAS and teaches forensic justification by a imputed view of righteousness. GOD CANNOT SEE THEM SINNING! sheesh

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by TGBTG

Ok, let me just say I don't know about y'all, but I am 100% sure I'm gonna be in heaven!!!

2 Cor 5:21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.
I have the righteousness of God.

Yes but you must endure to be considered "faithFUL" and considered righteous.

You have a righteous standing because you walk by faith to his leading which IS RIGHTEOUS.

The righteousness of God is the law upon the heart not a forensic imputation of position.

Do you realize I have the righteousness of God?

uhhhhh

No man is righteous enough for heaven, but wait, I have the righteousness of Him that rules heaven!!! Go figure!

yeah you do IF....!

Makes me wanna jump.
Rom 8
33Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God's elect? It is God that justifieth.
34Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.

In God's eyes, I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS (only because of what Jesus did for me).

Lutzer and Sproul would be so proud. Was the church of Ephesus sinless n his eyes in Revelation?

Now, tell me how can God, who is holy and just send me to hell when I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS? I am ABSOLUTELY SINLESS.

uhhh because you are what you are. Faithful and a friend or lawless.

Do I still sin? Yes!, but the blood of Jesus cleanses me from my sins. Should I remain sin and claim grace, absolutely not.

The blood only cleanses if you walk as he walks which is a path of righteousness by the Spirit and do his commandments. 1 John 1:7

Rom 6
1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

I am dead to sin and alive to God!, wohoo!!!!

Yes if you follow the Spirit but not if you follow the flesh.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Yes but you must endure to be considered "faithFUL" and considered righteous.

No, we must endure to retain the righteousness given to us as a gift. Not to be considered righteous. Being IN CHRIST considers us righteous. Disobedience removes us from Christ.

You have a righteous standing because you walk by faith to his leading which IS RIGHTEOUS.

It is a righteous act but is not righteous in and of itself.

The righteousness of God is the law upon the heart not a forensic imputation of position.

Wrong. Dead wrong. There is the dangerous TWO CENTS' WORTH OF FLESH.

Do I still sin? Yes!, but the blood of Jesus cleanses me from my sins. Should I remain sin and claim grace, absolutely not.

Amen.

The blood only cleanses if you walk as he walks which is a path of righteousness by the Spirit and do his commandments. 1 John 1:7

The path of righteousness is not a path you create by good works, but a path provided to you by HIS WORK which YOU STAY ON by obedience.

Ys if you follow the Spirit but not if you follow the flesh.

And following the Spirit is allowing HIS POWER to cause you to do good.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

As soon as we look to our obedience as what pays our way into glory, we have been stolen from being in Christ, if we were ever in Him due to standing on nothing but His shed blood for our salvation. Good works must be maintained, but never considered the ticket to glory. HIS CROSS ALONE pays my way into Heaven. Good works only keep me from losing that.

Let none consider their good works and judgment for rewards as what brought them into heaven. God will surely keep us out if we look to those works. That is not to say good works have no part in our salvation at all. But the part they have is NOT what made the difference to take us into glory.

Again as i have said before it is about SOURCE 1000 times it feels like. The source of our salvatin is the cross an his blood/death. In this we realize

1) the righteousness of Christ which is his justice to us for our sin which we receive by faith in baptism aswe are united with Christ.
2) We recieve his righteousness/leading by his Spirit which is his nature/word imparted to us in our life to live over sin which biblically is the only way sin is forgiven. Which is to walk in righteousness having turned away from the flesh and cares of life. Otherwise our sin does come back should we turn from his who cleanses us from our failures.
3) We recieve his just consideration of our walk at the judgment of either faithful or lawless. Many will know because they know they did not follow him and have expectancy of suh eternal damnation.
4) salvaton is monergistic in source and synergistic in reality unto receiving eternal life in which we are judged worthy or not and given "right" to eternal life.