Are Infants Really Born Sinless? - Page 20

Aquila · #**191** 06-08-2011, 06:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Is that all? No more to it than that? Jesus had a lot of things to say about what you should do. You must feed the poor and clothe the naked, for example. And that was his criteria in separating the sheep from the goats -- He doesn't care about what you believed.

Even the scripture you quoted says there more to it than belief. You have to love one another.

Jesus also said that He is the vine and we are the branches, without Him, we can do nothing.

All that we do must be done through Christ, for we are in Christ. This is walking after the Spirit. It's not about what we do...it's about what we are. It's about our very identities being overwhelmed by the person of Jesus.

God doesn't want you to be a better person or a good Christian. God desires that Christ be formed in you, that you be conformed into the very image of Jesus. This is where religion goes wrong. The UPCI will teach people how to be great Pentecostals. But that's not teaching people how to surrender their identity and become... like Christ.

LUKE2447 · #**192** 06-08-2011, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Man got a sin nature when he succumbed to what the enemy tempted him to do. The knowledge he received was not sin nature, but sin nature came WITH IT since it was from the enemy. It was like the enemy's desire was transferred to mankind. The appeal of the fruit was to make one wise -- self exaltation. This became a disease in our flesh. While God created us to have dominion and to be great, that is only good in the confines of God leading us and inspiring us, not with the independence satan tempted mankind to enter into.

The fruit was not sin nature, and neither was the knowledge. But sin nature entered man by sheer virtue of the fact that man followed the way of the enemy. Instead we partake of the divine nature by following after the Spirit in antithesis to Adam's way.

scripture for your assertion in bold?

Also that means "Adams" was not a sinful nature but of choice and free will to choose. He did not need a sin nature to sin and nor do we.

LUKE2447 · #**193** 06-08-2011, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Yep, you believe we receive Christ's righteousness by being righteous (Works). A performance based salvation that mocks the cross and the redemptive plan of God. Legalism at it's finest. Religion. Dead where it stands.

I believe that we receive Christ's righteousness by faith. And it is that imputed righteousness, our partaking of that divine nature, that brings obedience. Because we are changed, new creatures. It is now in our very spiritual nature to obey. A fish can't help but swim. A son of God can't help but be righteous. It's a change of nature.

This also show you like limiting what is said to what you want me to say and not bringing the whole into view. Typical of you.

Aquila can you go from saved to lost and I am not talking about from a foreknowledge point of view but a practical positonal view in sequential time.

LUKE2447 · #**194** 06-08-2011, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Jesus also said that He is the vine and we are the branches, without Him, we can do nothing.

All that we do must be done through Christ, for we are in Christ. This is walking after the Spirit. It's not about what we do...it's about what we are. It's about our very identities being overwhelmed by the person of Jesus.

God doesn't want you to be a better person or a good Christian. God desires that Christ be formed in you, that you be conformed into the very image of Jesus. This is where religion goes wrong. The UPCI will teach people how to be great Pentecostals. But that's not teaching people how to surrender their identity and become... like Christ.

You are clueless!

Aquila · #**195** 06-08-2011, 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

This also show you like limiting what is said to what you want me to say and not bringing the whole into view. Typical of you.

Aquila can you go from saved to lost and I am not talking about from a foreknowledge point of view but a practical positonal view in sequential time.

Are you asking me if one can go from saved to lost without regarding the divine perspective of God Himself??? lol

Salvation without God. Typical of legalism.

You can't divorce these concepts from one another. God already knew long before time began who would answer the divine call and be saved. The outcome was ordained of God, and set in stone. Those who are "saved" (have tasted of the heavenly gift) and then fall away were never destined to be saved to begin with. Their choice didn't alter God's plan for them. It was predetermined. Their falling away only manifests the reality of what they truly are for all to see that God might be justified in His judgment.

Aquila · #**196** 06-08-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

You are clueless!

The polical beast of the UPCI is a Pharisaical den of vipers. Whited sepulchers.

LUKE2447 · #**197** 06-08-2011, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Are you asking me if one can go from saved to lost without regarding the divine perspective of God Himself??? lol

Salvation without God. Typical.

You can't divorce these concepts from one another. God already knew long before time began who would answer the divine call and be saved. The outcome was ordained of God, and set in stone. Those who are "saved" (have tasted of the heavenly gift) and then fall away were never destined to be saved to begin with. Their choice didn't alter God's plan for them. It was predetermined. Their falling away only manifests the reality of what they truly are for all to see that God might be justified in His judgment.

lol... way to ignore the question. so man has no free will. God does not judge a man lost at one point IN time after being saved.

Also the "bold" area is also a absolute lie. congrats!

LUKE2447 · #**198** 06-08-2011, 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

The administration of the UPCI is a Pharisaical den of vipers. Whited sepulchers.

you said made pathetic blanket statement about the whole of what they teach. Personally I think it was bearing false witness.

LUKE2447 · #**199** 06-08-2011, 07:38 AM

Aquila... Did Abraham have the divine nature imparted to him?

Aquila · #**200** 06-08-2011, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by LUKE2447

lol... way to ignore the question. so man has no free will. God does not judge a man lost at one point IN time after being saved.

Also the "bold" area is also a absolute lie. congrats!

It may become "official" or what might be best termed as "manifest". But had you asked of that person will be saved when they were first "tasting the heavenly gift" and attending church gatherings... God wouldn't say, "Well, I sure hope so. He has choices to make. We'll see." lol

Ever occurred to you that nothing has ever just "occurred" to God? ROFL!

God would look at you with saddened eyes and say, "I know what will be. It will be manifest what they truly are and have always been my child."