It may become "official" or what might be best termed as "manifest". But had you asked of that person will be saved when they were first "tasting the heavenly gift" and attending church gatherings... God wouldn't say, "Well, I sure hope so. He has choices to make. We'll see." lol
Ever occurred to you that nothing has ever just "occurred" to God? ROFL!
God would look at you with saddened eyes and say, "I know what will be. It will be manifest what they truly are and have always been my child."
typical you are playing with one sided aspects just like Reformed teachers not realizing God reacts in justice time regardless of foreknowledge.
Again I ask does man lose his position in time before God as saved?
Aquila... Did Abraham has a the divine nature imparted to him?
Are you denying that you have partaken in the divine nature?
2 Peter 1:3-5
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3His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, 4by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. 5For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,
Are you denying that you have partaken in the divine nature?
2 Peter 1:3-5
English Standard Version (ESV)
3His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, 4by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire. 5For this very reason, make every effort to supplement your faith with virtue, and virtue with knowledge,
answer the question. did Abraham have a divine nature imparted to him?
typical you are playing with one sided aspects just like Reformed teachers not realizing God reacts in justice time regardless of foreknowledge.
Again I ask does man lose his position in time before God as saved?
A man is what he is. Trials and temptations are not designed to reveal to God what one is that God might be judged. Trials and temptations come to reveal to us, and to all of creation, what we are.
The names of the redeemed were in the Lamb's book of life before God said, "Let there be light."
And if you studied Arminianism... notice the focus is on God's foreknowledge... not soveriegn choice (Reformed).
Conditional Election
God's choice of certain individuals unto salvation before the foundation of the world was based upon His foreseeing that they would respond to His call. He selected only those whom He knew would of themselves freely believe the gospel. Election therefore was determined by or conditioned upon what man would do. The faith which God foresaw and upon which He based His choice was not given to the sinner by God (it was not created by the regenerating power of the Holy Spirit) but resulted solely from man's will. It was left entirely up to man as to who would believe and therefore as to who would be elected unto salvation. God chose those whom He knew would, of their own free will, choose Christ. Thus the sinner's choice of Christ, not God's choice of the sinner, is the ultimate cause of salvation.
A man is what he is. Trials and temptations are not designed to reveal to God what one is that God might be judged. Trials and temptations come to reveal to us, and to all of creation, what we are.
yes it does reveal the level of current faith. Does not mean your faith is always the same or you don't grow or lose faith.
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The names of the redeemed were in the Lamb's book of life before God said, "Let there be light."
typical... People names are taken in and out as a matter of justice IN TIME. Whether God knows the end or not does not negate justice IN TIME! HELLO!
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And if you studied Arminianism... notice the focus is on God's foreknowledge... not soveriegn choice (Reformed).
Christ's righteousness was judicially imputed to Abraham. Abraham didn't have the baptism of the Holy Ghost.
Are you arguing that it takes a change in one's very nature to be circumcised? lol
no but you are treating obedience like it must/can only come from a imparted nature and that is not true. Also no that is not what scripture says! God justice was done toward Abraham's response of faithfulness. God considered his response of faith, JUST! Abraham received the promise by OBEDIENCE. We receive the righteous justice of Christ toward us IF we follow him. 1 John 1:7 and he cleanses us of our unrighteousness. I also notice you side stepped the issue. I asked about nature to do and you jumped to justice imputed to avoid the issue.
Jesus also said that He is the vine and we are the branches, without Him, we can do nothing.
All that we do must be done through Christ, for we are in Christ. This is walking after the Spirit. It's not about what we do...it's about what we are. It's about our very identities being overwhelmed by the person of Jesus.
God doesn't want you to be a better person or a good Christian. God desires that Christ be formed in you, that you be conformed into the very image of Jesus. This is where religion goes wrong. The UPCI will teach people how to be great Pentecostals. But that's not teaching people how to surrender their identity and become... like Christ.
So, when Jesus said you must feed the hungry, what He really meant was He must feed the hungry through you.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
So, when Jesus said you must feed the hungry, what He really meant was He must feed the hungry through you.
technically I would agree with this statement. We are his hands and feet. We are given the divine commandment and the perfection of it's realization is guided by the Spirit in how to do it more perfectly. Wihtout this response of "contextual" response of faith we are law breakers and are not partaking of him. We have broken communion with his Spirit. Which results in not being "in" him and not in fellowship with the body and cleansed by his blood.
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