Spirit and Letter

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I was just ruminating on my own life. I have followed acts 2:38, but I don't currently follow any holiness standards. While my bil, who is trinitarian pentecostal, hasn't followed acts 2:38, but lives an apparent life of holiness. Just using aff as a diary of thoughts.

trinitarians have the same Spirit as apostolics. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into One Body.we seperate people with labels. God doesnt. He goes to those who love Him and seek Him.

That is why pentacostals and charasmatics have great moves of the Spirit, not because they are trinitarian or Oneness. Those who have the Spirit, have recieved the Spirit of Adoption, they have recieved the Promise

[Dedicated Mind]

Originally Posted by acerrak

trinitarians have the same Spirit as apostolics. For by one Spirit are we all baptized into One Body.we seperate people with labels. God doesnt. He goes to those who love Him and seek Him.

That is why pentacostals and charasmatics have great moves of the Spirit, not because they are trinitarian or Oneness. Those who have the Spirit, have recieved the Spirit of Adoption, they have recieved the Promise

why teach baptism in jesus name and the oneness of god if it doesn't make a difference in someone's life or salvation, if everyone who has the spirit is part of one body?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

I was just ruminating on my own life. I have followed acts 2:38, but I don't currently follow any holiness standards. While my bil, who is trinitarian pentecostal, hasn't followed acts 2:38, but lives an apparent life of holiness. Just using aff as a diary of thoughts.

Oh, well I don't see how Acts 2:38 relates to standards

[commonsense]

Originally Posted by Sabby

I see both points of view here. The "gibberish" has a LOT to do with the type of experience people are now receiviing at the traditional "pentecostal altars" Before someone get wrapped around the axle over that statement ask yourself this question: How many times have you either been prayed for (or prayed for a seeker) during the altar call, held up their arms, whispered in there ear to "let go", spoke in tongues audibly in order to somehow influence the outcome. IT HAPPENS. And then when someone DOES stammer (sometimes out of sheer exhaustion) talk about a hoedown! I'm NOT talking about the genuine experience. I am talking about our "helping" people to receive something that GOD has already staked His (incarnate) life on. When the desire to have all of what GOD has promised is greater than the desire to go to church to GET that experience people WILL receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost.

Yes, we need to quit telling anyone they have the HG. It should be real to the receiver without our input.

On a Sun afternoon a couple weeks ago I met my husband after work for dinner out.(I work 3 of 4 Sundays).
AS we ate I was overhearing the conversation of several black saints seated at tables behind me.
Then the topic switched to the Holy Ghost and how people try to assist someone seeking it. In any event, on this discussion, I was forced to turn around and join the conversation .
In essence this was the topic. Although their understanding of the Holy Ghost differed from mine.........we agreed that God is the giver and we should let God take care of it.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

why teach baptism in jesus name and the oneness of god if it doesn't make a difference in someone's life or salvation, if everyone who has the spirit is part of one body?

who said i teach that? i use to but i dont now. I dont even believe in the way the Oneness view of God is, Just like in trinitarianism there are many different views of the Godhead held by many different people. I have my own as well

I believe baptism should be done, However to me it doesnt make a difference if they baptize according to matthew 28:19 or acts 2:38

there is a non denominational pentacostal church close to where we live, they will baptize you in what ever manner you choose to be baptized.

they are like me, they have realized its not about what the preacher speaks over you,(cause that means the power to remit sins is placed in the hands of the baptizer) but its more about the person and their faith and acting on it. In both cases Jesus is professed by the one being baptized, just like the ethiopian did before phillip baptized them.

So i dont see any contridiction in the bible according to this,

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by commonsense

Yes, we need to quit telling anyone they have the HG. It should be real to the receiver without our input.

On a Sun afternoon a couple weeks ago I met my husband after work for dinner out.(I work 3 of 4 Sundays).
AS we ate I was overhearing the conversation of several black saints seated at tables behind me.
Then the topic switched to the Holy Ghost and how people try to assist someone seeking it. In any event, on this discussion, I was forced to turn around and join the conversation .
In essence this was the topic. Although their understanding of the Holy Ghost differed from mine.........we agreed that God is the giver and we should let God take care of it.

problem is (Commonsense) is when people go to the alter, they are not seeking the Holy Ghost, they are seeking tounges. and so they come to the alter and beg God for tounges, and sometimes over and over.

I actually told a man dont be asking God for tounges. Just love worship and praise Him. He said the Promise is a gift. Its a gift from God, why are you up here begging for a sign, and not asking God for Spirit.

He said how much more would i give the Spirit if they Just ask me.

The Spirit falls in praise and worship, I have seen many times that when there is a atmosphere of praise we see the Holy Ghost move on the service.

But just in my personal experience, when people give praise to God and verbalize that praise, many times the spirit Moves on them.