We want america back

pelathais · #11 07-03-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind

what exactly were those godly principles? slavery? denying women and minorities the right to work, vote and own property? was america godly when it fought the vietnam war, wwI, wwII, the korean war, the gulf war? was america godly when it massacred indians or during the jim crow south that lasted til the 1960's? I believe many constitutions mention god. If there is no prayer in school, it is because it is unconstitutional. the very document that is "godly". imagine being a christian in an islamic state, would you want muslims taking their country back? secularism is good for every state, that is what the founders intended. keeping religion out of poltics.

It may be helpful to keep in mind that "America" didn't "massacre the indians..." nor some of the other things you mention. There were criminal incidents and even terrible things that at least appeared to have broad support at the time, but later generations denounced them. But, you can't lay the blame upon "Americans." My own Cherokee blood sort of boils when I hear that. I'm a proud American and I never "massacred" anyone nor did any of my forebears.

Jim Crow? Who abolished Jim Crow and wiped out that unjust system? Americans. Why not give "America" the credit for abolishing something that only a minority of people ever supported any how?

Also, WW2 and the other wars were engaged for noble purposes, though war itself is often far from noble. Even the Vietnam War, while it ended up being a polarizing event, was a just cause. The implementation of that "war" was always ham-fisted and the policy of never even attacking the North who were attacking Americans in South with wanton brazenness was plain stupid.

Look at what happened when Americans pulled out of South Vietnam. Some of the worst genocides of the 20th century occurred. Our presence held back that evil.

I don't think that this is even one of those "Is the glass half full?" types of debates. Over all, for the past 404 years, Americans have been a force for good in the world.