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07-21-2011, 07:43 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas
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Ok I'll really mix things up!
While I acknowledge most Pentecostals receive the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, I am not at at all ready to say non tongue-speakers aren't Spirit filled. I just think the evidence shows otherwise. There are many Christians who exhibit the fruit of the Spirit, and clearly manifest Jesus in their lives. Far it be from me to cast any judgement on them, or even distinguish my experience as superior to theirs.
If this is too blunt for my Pentecostal counterparts - I'm sorry. Please don't ask me for an exegetic defense - I have none to give - I am not a theologian.
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this is how it starts hoovie, next thing you know, you will be endorsing infant sprinkling in the titles as a valid baptism, like da has done on facebook.
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07-21-2011, 07:52 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas
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I sort of have the same opinion as you. I am a Seminary student which has forced me to participate in and draft some exegetic arguments...however, I still don't consider myself a Theologian. Also, while I am Pentecostal, and while I do speak in Tongues at appropriate times. I feel that Paul's guidelines were pretty strict and are often abused in Pentecostal circles. I don't think one can just walk around gibber-gabbering and say they are speaking in tongues. I also think the heavy emphasis on tongues for salvation has caused many to "fake" it...and many preachers will even claim it for them...take Borat for example...according a well known UPC evangelist, think his name last name is Godwin, "He's Got it"...and it is obvious all he done was slur his speach...I know they have recanted his baptism...but how many stand up on the platform with the preacher bragging and the person sheepishly nodding their head only to walk out confused??
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I wholeheartedly agree with this post, and my apologies to Greg Godwin - I am confident his heart and intentions were right!
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-21-2011, 07:56 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas
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Originally Posted by Dedicated Mind
this is how it starts hoovie, next thing you know, you will be endorsing infant sprinkling in the titles as a valid baptism, like da has done on facebook.
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What can I say? While I can't/don't read DA on Facebook, I do not agree with him on many things, predominately his vitriol for Oneness Pentecostals.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-21-2011, 07:57 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas
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I wholeheartedly agree with this post, and my apologies to Greg Godwin - I am confident his heart and intentions were right!
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oops...should I edit for name content...wasn't thinking until you apologized to him...
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07-21-2011, 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Ok I'll really mix things up!
While I acknowledge most Pentecostals receive the Holy Spirit with evidence of speaking in tongues, I am not at at all ready to say non tongue-speakers aren't Spirit filled. I just think the evidence shows otherwise. There are many Christians who exhibit the fruit of the Spirit, and clearly manifest Jesus in their lives. Far it be from me to cast any judgement on them, or even distinguish my experience as superior to theirs.
If this is too blunt for my Pentecostal counterparts - I'm sorry. Please don't ask me for an exegetic defense - I have none to give - I am not a theologian.
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Right. Personally I have been more blessed and more fed by some of that "dry and dead" (some would even say UN-anointed) exposistory preaching of John MacArthur, and more challenged by Baptist preacher Paul Washer (e.g. search on Youtube: shocking youth message Paul Washer) than in ALL my years of being in pentecost, all the campmetings, rallys, conferences, and special services. And these men and others like them are considered to 1)not have the Holy Ghost 2)not have the fulness of the Holy Ghost or 3)are lost and going to split hell wide open while the tongue talkers walk the streets of gold.
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"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
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07-21-2011, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by PastorDaniel
I sort of have the same opinion as you. I am a Seminary student which has forced me to participate in and draft some exegetic arguments...however, I still don't consider myself a Theologian. Also, while I am Pentecostal, and while I do speak in Tongues at appropriate times. I feel that Paul's guidelines were pretty strict and are often abused in Pentecostal circles. I don't think one can just walk around gibber-gabbering and say they are speaking in tongues. I also think the heavy emphasis on tongues for salvation has caused many to "fake" it...and many preachers will even claim it for them...take Borat for example...according a well known UPC evangelist, think his name last name is Godwin, "He's Got it"...and it is obvious all he done was slur his speach...I know they have recanted his baptism...but how many stand up on the platform with the preacher bragging and the person sheepishly nodding their head only to walk out confused??
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We do have a lot in common. 
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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07-21-2011, 08:27 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Right. Personally I have been more blessed and more fed by some of that "dry and dead" (some would even say UN-anointed) exposistory preaching of John MacArthur, and more challenged by Baptist preacher Paul Washer (e.g. search on Youtube: shocking youth message Paul Washer) than in ALL my years of being in pentecost, all the campmetings, rallys, conferences, and special services. And these men and others like them are considered to 1)not have the Holy Ghost 2)not have the fulness of the Holy Ghost or 3)are lost and going to split hell wide open while the tongue talkers walk the streets of gold.
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And I, as a Oneness Pentecostal, can do nothing but agree with you Jason.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-21-2011, 08:29 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas
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oops...should I edit for name content...wasn't thinking until you apologized to him...
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No. It's OK, he is a public figure by now.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-21-2011, 09:01 PM
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Re: ACN National Conference in Bryant, Arkansas
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Originally Posted by Jason Badejo
Thanks bro. James, but I can't see myself carrying a card with any org that officially endorses the initial evidence doctrine.
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Did you CAREFULLY read the cut and paste I did of the tenants of faith ?
Reads almost like a lawyer had a hand in it
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07-21-2011, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by James Griffin
Did you CAREFULLY read the cut and paste I did of the tenants of faith ?
Reads almost like a lawyer had a hand in it
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I have not read them, I'm posting from my cell right now about to start my evening study time, if you PM them to me I will remember to read them.
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"Resolved: That all men should live to the glory of God. Resolved, secondly: That whether or not anyone else does, I will." ~Jonathan Edwards
"The only man who has the right to say he is justified by grace alone is the man who has left all to follow Christ." ~Dietrich Bonheoffer, The Cost of Discipleship
"Preachers who should be fishing for men are now too often fishing for compliments from men." ~Leonard Ravenhill
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