The last few pages of this thread are very interesting to me...mostly because as of late I have been questioning myself on issues of family that has passed without the ACTS 2:38 response. I can't begin to tell you the grief and self loathing that I have been through personally when I have tried at earnest to get them to see what I have been taught is the plan of salvation as they lay sick in bed about to die.
On two occasions I have tried, bible in hand and walked away discouraged and wondering what I may have done or not done right. The last death in my family was in April and was my Grandmother. She was raised Catholic and in her later years was in an Episcapal church. I went to see her as she lay in bed with cancer, with my mother and my Grandfather at her side. I told her I loved her, spent time with her, tried to feel out what the Lord would have me do.
Needless to say she passed, I did not baptize her, and to my knowlege she never spoke with tongues. I have spent alot of time, off and on, since then questioning myself yet again. It is tormenting, that is for sure. As i type this we have another family member who once again is layed up with cancer and it is in his throat and he is unable to speak.
The point I am getting at is that I can relate on multiple levels with the questions concerning family that has passed without the ACTS 2:38 experience, and yes I have wondered, been frustrated, and even angry at myself. You see i was always taught that it is up to us to reach them, and if we don't it, their blood is on our hands...that is how I was taught. I was also taught that if God called you to preach and at some point you decided not to, you were going to Hell.
Just being a little transparent...I have a feeling I am not the only one who was taught these things.
I love my family the majority passed without obeying the only saving message. I did all I could do to witness to them. The choice is up to the person which includes family. All I can say God was so good to me to alllow me to see truth.
I love my family the majority passed without obeying the only saving message. I did all I could do to witness to them. The choice is up to the person which includes family. All I can say God was so good to me to alllow me to see truth.
Just to be sure, do you believe both of these two things?
1. The Bible says those who die lost will spent eternity in the lake of fire.
2. People who die lost might not spend eternity in the lake of fire.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Just to be sure, do you believe both of these two things?
1. The Bible says those who die lost will spent eternity in the lake of fire.
2. People who die lost might not spend eternity in the lake of fire.
Timmy I am sure everyone on this forum understands what am saying. I am commissioned to preach the ONLY saving message the rest is up to God. Do I personally believe folks will be saved outside the plan? I doubt it very seriously. But be certain the lake of fire will be real and eternity will be long. Folks need to prepare not to go there.
Timmy I am sure everyone on this forum understands what am saying. I am commissioned to preach the ONLY saving message the rest is up to God. Do I personally believe folks will be saved outside the plan? I doubt it very seriously. But be certain the lake of fire will be real and eternity will be long. Folks need to prepare not to go there.
Does the Bible say that people who die lost will spend eternity in the lake of fire?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
The last few pages of this thread are very interesting to me...mostly because as of late I have been questioning myself on issues of family that has passed without the ACTS 2:38 response. I can't begin to tell you the grief and self loathing that I have been through personally when I have tried at earnest to get them to see what I have been taught is the plan of salvation as they lay sick in bed about to die.
On two occasions I have tried, bible in hand and walked away discouraged and wondering what I may have done or not done right. The last death in my family was in April and was my Grandmother. She was raised Catholic and in her later years was in an Episcapal church. I went to see her as she lay in bed with cancer, with my mother and my Grandfather at her side. I told her I loved her, spent time with her, tried to feel out what the Lord would have me do.
Needless to say she passed, I did not baptize her, and to my knowlege she never spoke with tongues. I have spent alot of time, off and on, since then questioning myself yet again. It is tormenting, that is for sure. As i type this we have another family member who once again is layed up with cancer and it is in his throat and he is unable to speak.
The point I am getting at is that I can relate on multiple levels with the questions concerning family that has passed without the ACTS 2:38 experience, and yes I have wondered, been frustrated, and even angry at myself. You see i was always taught that it is up to us to reach them, and if we don't it, their blood is on our hands...that is how I was taught. I was also taught that if God called you to preach and at some point you decided not to, you were going to Hell.
Just being a little transparent...I have a feeling I am not the only one who was taught these things.
It is admirable to try to communicate our understanding of truth to our friends and loved ones. But to take responsibility for their eternal souls is not our responsibility!!! God is the Creator, the earth and all that is in it is His, HE is responsible for HIS creation, and HE has not delegated that responsibility to men. I am speaking to the final end of any individual we are to love and to steward all that He has given us, but HE will complete His purpose.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Does the Bible say that people who die lost will spend eternity in the lake of fire?
They will spend an "age", a period of time, in God's corrective and purifying "fire". God's "punishment" is for a purpose.
__________________ For it is written, "As I live, says the Lord every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall give praise to God. (Romans 14:11- NASB)
Timmy I am sure everyone on this forum understands what am saying. I am commissioned to preach the ONLY saving message the rest is up to God. Do I personally believe folks will be saved outside the plan? I doubt it very seriously. But be certain the lake of fire will be real and eternity will be long. Folks need to prepare not to go there.
On one hand, you say all who have NOT obeyed your version of Acts 2:38 are Lost.
(The bible says ALL the LOST are cast into the lake of fire)
And then you say maybe not all the lost are cast into the lake of fire
It's either you DO NOT believe your version of Acts 2:38 is the only saving message OR you do NOT believe what the bible says about ALL THE LOST BEING CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE...
So yeah, you're dancing around Timmy's question (not answering it)
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...Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ...(Acts 20:21)
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