This is very sad that is why a forum like this is not good for weak saints so many have become apostates because of the ungodly influence of apostates who no longer believe the truth yet the name Apostolic is attached to the forum. I plead with you in Jesus Name go back to your home church and unplug from this forum. Remember Paul does warn about a strong delusion being sent to thos who love their love for truth.
Thank you Bro Epley, I know you are saying this out of concern for me.
The weird thing is this; the OP church that I spent most of my adult life in now believes people are saved at repentance. They don't believe hardly anything like they used to believe.
That is the reason for the questioning, not this board btw.
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Thank you Bro Epley, I know you are saying this out of concern for me.
The weird thing is this; the OP church that I spent most of my adult life in now believes people are saved at repentance. They don't believe hardly anything like they used to believe.
That is the reason for the questioning, not this board btw.
Yes it is out of concern. When I became acquainted with forum life was the old FCF it was a wide spectrum of Pentecostal folks and sadly I saw some sincere but hurt folks who would up being decieved by those who were enemies of the Apostolic message. I am praying for you to find a good strong Apostolic church.
Amanah, Just a couple quick observations.
The Pastor of your home church has baptized more people in that church in his 30 years there and seen thousands filled with the Holy Ghost there and in his international ministry. More people have come into the Kingdom of God thru this mans ministry than all the "Apostolic" and UPC churches combined in that entire area.
This Pastor has changed his preaching style but continues to see the altars filled with people repenting of their sins, people being baptized weekly and many being filled with the Holy Ghost. It is true that he no longer deals with the Wesleyan Holiness standards that the UPC and UC's live by. He and his wife are two of the most Godly Christian people I have ever known. They pray and seek God for the lost and hurting. They are the first ones we call when we have prayer needs. They live what they preach!
Here are a few observations:
He is still married to his FIRST and ONLY wife.
He has never been divorced.
He has never beat his wife and sent her to the hospital.
There are no pictures of him on the beach with his arms around other women in skimpy bikini's.
He does not drink alcohol and get drunk and swear like a sailor.
He has never had to resign his credentials or give up his position because of immorality.
He planted a church (his daddy did not give him one) that continues to thrive and see people come into the Kingdom of God on a weekly basis.
When you go to the church he pastors - you do not see move ins and church hoppers from the church across town.
This pastor (at church #1) is a Godly man that is highly respected and has not changed his foundational doctrinal beliefs at all. He continues to believe 1. That there is only One True and Living God. 2. That all should come to repentance. 3. Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ and has baptized THOUSANDS in the name of Jesus Christ. 4 The Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
I just wanted to set the record straight and let people on AFF that the pastor being talked about is a Godly man and he and his wife are two of the greatest people I have ever met.
Right, salvation is not a progressive work as some like to say nowadays.
Your comment made it sound like you don't believe we are saved until we get to heaven. This is contrary to scripture as we are told many times in scripture that nothing can separate us from God. The blood of Christ has covered the sins of a believer past, present, and future and that person will be held, if they are truly born again, until they are glorified.
Amanah, Just a couple quick observations.
The Pastor of your home church has baptized more people in that church in his 30 years there and seen thousands filled with the Holy Ghost there and in his international ministry. More people have come into the Kingdom of God thru this mans ministry than all the "Apostolic" and UPC churches combined in that entire area.
This Pastor has changed his preaching style but continues to see the altars filled with people repenting of their sins, people being baptized weekly and many being filled with the Holy Ghost. It is true that he no longer deals with the Wesleyan Holiness standards that the UPC and UC's live by. He and his wife are two of the most Godly Christian people I have ever known. They pray and seek God for the lost and hurting. They are the first ones we call when we have prayer needs. They live what they preach!
Here are a few observations:
He is still married to his FIRST and ONLY wife.
He has never been divorced.
He has never beat his wife and sent her to the hospital.
There are no pictures of him on the beach with his arms around other women in skimpy bikini's.
He does not drink alcohol and get drunk and swear like a sailor.
He has never had to resign his credentials or give up his position because of immorality.
He planted a church (his daddy did not give him one) that continues to thrive and see people come into the Kingdom of God on a weekly basis.
When you go to the church he pastors - you do not see move ins and church hoppers from the church across town.
This pastor (at church #1) is a Godly man that is highly respected and has not changed his foundational doctrinal beliefs at all. He continues to believe 1. That there is only One True and Living God. 2. That all should come to repentance. 3. Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ and has baptized THOUSANDS in the name of Jesus Christ. 4 The Baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues.
I just wanted to set the record straight and let people on AFF that the pastor being talked about is a Godly man and he and his wife are two of the greatest people I have ever met.
Almost all of this could be said about the pastor of the church I came out of. This is why it is so hard to leave sometimes because we know these people are sincere and there is a "heritage" and family ties that go on for generations.
Amanah, you cannot see the movement for what it is while IN the movement. Take a break and go somewhere else for a while, continually hold onto God and trust him that he will lead you to truth. Above all find a church that is bible believing and puts the scripture above all "revelation" and experience.
I didn't change most of my thinking until I had no ties left with the Apostolic movement. When our heritage and identity and belonging is so tied to a movement and a subculture it is very hard to questions anything because our motivations can be so impure that we cannot ask the hard questions without also attacking ourselves. Separation is important in my opinion.
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