Michael, you teach false doctrine (Annihilationism). False doctrine is a serious sin the last time I checked. It's lying in the name of God. Do you believe that if you are incorrect, you are justified and God's correction of your misunderstandings is a part of your sanctification?
He may be mistaken. Are you sure every doctrine you teach is correct? If you are mistaken about one of them, are you sinning?
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
He may be mistaken. Are you sure every doctrine you teach is correct? If you are mistaken about one of them, are you sinning?
That's my point.
We all are struggling with various sins and inclinations of the flesh. Sanctification is a life long process. Because the goal isn't to abide by a code of standards... but to be conformed into the image of Jesus. That means... to be made as holy as God Himself. Therefore, the process is one that cannot be completed in a week, a month, a year, a decade, or even a century. The process only ends upon what is known as "glorification". That's when we arise with glorified bodies.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Since the process ends upon glorification... sanctification must be regarded as a life long process of death to sin and self. There are ups and downs during this process. Even our failures can serve to benefit us if we learn how to recognize and understand the depth of our sinful nature and our need of a Saviour through them. We haven't "arrived" in our sanctification until we are glorified at Christ's coming. For then... we shall be like Him, His very person and nature being formed in our being.
Many think they have "arrived" with regards to holiness and sanctification. They are dreadfully wrong. They don't fully grasp the relationship between the doctrines of justification, adoption, sanctification, and glorification.
We all are struggling with various sins and inclinations of the flesh. Sanctification is a life long process. Because the goal isn't to abide by a code of standards... but to be conformed into the image of Jesus. That means... to be made as holy as God Himself. Therefore, the process is one that cannot be completed in a week, a month, a year, a decade, or even a century. The process only ends upon what is known as "glorification". That's when we arise with glorified bodies.
1 John 3:2
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Since the process ends upon glorification... sanctification must be regarded as a life long process of death to sin and self. There are ups and downs during this process. Even our failures can serve to benefit us if we learn how to recognize and understand the depth of our sinful nature and our need of a Saviour through them. We haven't "arrived" in our sanctification until we are glorified at Christ's coming. For then... we shall be like Him, His very person and nature being formed in our being.
Many think they have "arrived" with regards to holiness and sanctification. They are dreadfully wrong. They don't fully grasp the relationship between the doctrines of justification, adoption, sanctification, and glorification.
Some sins are good for you, than. OK.
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Hebrews 13:23 Know ye that our brother Timothy is set at liberty
Michael, you teach false doctrine (Annihilationism). False doctrine is a serious sin the last time I checked. It's lying in the name of God. Do you believe that if you are incorrect, you are justified and God's correction of your misunderstandings is a part of your sanctification?
Since you keep attacking me on this I will respond. I believed in the false doctrine of "immortal soul" for 16 years. The first time I studied the matter for myself I saw it was clearly a false doctrine and turned from it. It was just like when I saw the error of Trinity. As I understand it you are a Trinitarian yea?
Annihilation is the doctrine of the Bible with its underlying foundation in the Old Testament that the soul than sins shall die. Ezekiel 18:4. It is brought right into the New Testament in many scriptures. The most easy to immediately notice is that the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23
No I am not in sin for believing the truth. If you want to argue about it start another thread. Whenever it gets more exposure people are drawn to it because thats where the spirit of truth leads. So go for it.
And having said that consider this. If I was wrong and in sin because of this how will that excuse someone else who is living in sin and claiming "justification"? Hardly will one who is commiting sin be excused because some else is commiting sin.
Personal attacks against ones character like you do against me will not do anything to change Gods mind against sin. He opposes it. He will not show partiality in dealing with it. He considers anyone commiting it as his enemy.
What pleases him is when one loves him out of a pure heart. When one is passionately going after him all the way. Wanting to do his will not running from it. Think about it.
Since you keep attacking me on this I will respond. I believed in the false doctrine of "immortal soul" for 16 years. The first time I studied the matter for myself I saw it was clearly a false doctrine and turned from it. It was just like when I saw the error of Trinity. As I understand it you are a Trinitarian yea?
Annihilation is the doctrine of the Bible with its underlying foundation in the Old Testament that the soul than sins shall die. Ezekiel 18:4. It is brought right into the New Testament in many scriptures. The most easy to immediately notice is that the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23
No I am not in sin for believing the truth. If you want to argue about it start another thread. Whenever it gets more exposure people are drawn to it because thats where the spirit of truth leads. So go for it.
And having said that consider this. If I was wrong and in sin because of this how will that excuse someone else who is living in sin and claiming "justification"? Hardly will one who is commiting sin be excused because some else is commiting sin.
Personal attacks against ones character like you do against me will not do anything to change Gods mind against sin. He opposes it. He will not show partiality in dealing with it. He considers anyone commiting it as his enemy.
What pleases him is when one loves him out of a pure heart. When one is passionately going after him all the way. Wanting to do his will not running from it. Think about it.
Do you believe that one is instantly lost if they commit a sin, or do you believe God convicts them, deals with them, and should they resist or quench His Spirit's dealing with them they cross a fine line wherein He cuts them off into state where they are backslidden, yet He is continuing to draw them?
As for false doctrine. Humor me... what if you're wrong and it is a false doctrine??? Do you believe that you're still justified through faith in Christ's blood and God will correct your understanding either here or in the world to come?
Since you keep attacking me on this I will respond. I believed in the false doctrine of "immortal soul" for 16 years. The first time I studied the matter for myself I saw it was clearly a false doctrine and turned from it. It was just like when I saw the error of Trinity. As I understand it you are a Trinitarian yea?
Annihilation is the doctrine of the Bible with its underlying foundation in the Old Testament that the soul than sins shall die. Ezekiel 18:4. It is brought right into the New Testament in many scriptures. The most easy to immediately notice is that the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23
No I am not in sin for believing the truth. If you want to argue about it start another thread. Whenever it gets more exposure people are drawn to it because thats where the spirit of truth leads. So go for it.
And having said that consider this. If I was wrong and in sin because of this how will that excuse someone else who is living in sin and claiming "justification"? Hardly will one who is commiting sin be excused because some else is commiting sin.
Personal attacks against ones character like you do against me will not do anything to change Gods mind against sin. He opposes it. He will not show partiality in dealing with it. He considers anyone commiting it as his enemy.
What pleases him is when one loves him out of a pure heart. When one is passionately going after him all the way. Wanting to do his will not running from it. Think about it.
Please note... there have been misunderstandings and I've seen bad attitudes that are not Christlike out of you Michael. Frankly, I've seen them out of us all from time to time. Do you become lost and get "re-saved" when that happens?
We all are struggling with various sins and inclinations of the flesh.
To struggle against sin is good. To defeat it. To give in to sin is very dangerous. The struggle is not something bad it is essential to overcoming.
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Sanctification is a life long process.
This is true in that we are to be sanctified all the days of our Christian life. It is certainly not true that it takes ones whole life to attain.
Holiness and sanctification come from the same Greek word as in this scripture.
Follow peace with all men and holiness without which no man shall see the Lord. Heb. 12:14
A life long process? What if your life is very short? Last I knew we are not given to know how long we will live. If one who has been saved 6 months suddenly dies he must be sanctified, living holy to see God.
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Therefore, the process is one that cannot be completed in a week, a month, a year, a decade, or even a century. The process only ends upon what is known as "glorification".
Again Evangelical doctrine fails against the word of God.
11 For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we would live soberly, righteously, and godly in this present world; Titus 2:11-12
The grace that the Apostles taught was powerful to cause men to live godly, soberly, and righteous right here and now. This is the only acceptable walk for a Christian. Anything less than this is not pleasing to God. It is living apart from the grace available to overcome.
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