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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson
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The first youtube is merely a complilation of quotes from modalists, etc. They have existed in some form since the first century. I didn't realize William Penn held those views (and were he alive today he might cringe at the way the Quaker movement has become a nearly unitarian movement).
This first video does not validate ANY
20-21st century Apostolic doctrine, imo.
Dante's post is right on. Present Apostolic doctrine is a compilation of doctrines and traditions from other Christian
brands that have accrued from the early 20th century til this day, NOT a
revelation.
Years ago I heard a preacher pronounce (re: the UPC) that we are "PART OF THE ROOT AND NOT ONE OF THE BRANCHES" as if the traditions held by that organization have always existed. It's just not true. The video serves to be nothing more than an eisogesic prop for the position. Many Oneness do not want to be identified with the pillars of historical Christianity for fear of being accused of being (gasp) trinitarian.
What is wrong with saying it like it is? Rather than being empirically and historically sound, most apostolics want the oneness/Jesus' name message to sound (drum roll, please) like a finally discovered revelation
revealed in these last days. (TA DAH!)
It nearly sounds like the revelation of the "hidden" church doctrine in the writings of Paul, the "Apostle to the Gentiles".
Even though there is an RCC element to the second video, what I picked up if the video is to be believed was that Paul was one of
several apostles to the Gentiles, but not THE apostle to the Gentiles, as we have been taught. We have Andrew going to Armenia, Thomas to India, Matthew to Ethiopia and John in the regions surrounding the middle east. Paul traveled further, perhaps, in ships to the known world, but there were several other Jewish apostles preaching to the Gentiles world.
The video let us know after the first generation of Apostles died of the disagreement of the divinity of Christ between a group wanting to claim Jesus as only man, and another, Docetans, that he was only divine.
They had as many problems understanding the simplicity that was in Christ as we do today. Apostolics desperately want their elite oneness position validated by history but by doing so they simultaneously invalidate the greatness of men like John Wesley and Martin Luther. We have DNA in our movement that those men helped to give us, whether we WANT to believe or not.
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