USA To Use Foreign Aid To Promote Gay Rights

[houston]

I need an emesis basin.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I did not say it was a next step. My point really was that it's equally abominable.

Actually, there is a quite developed movement to lower or remove age of consent laws.

Additionally, there have already been government sanctioned efforts to legalize pedophilia and incest in parts of Europe. This, of course, done to "develop a sense of pride in their sex" for toddlers one yr to six years old...

This is a quote from a German "Ministry for Family Affairs" publication:

"Fathers do not devote enough attention to the clitoris and vagina of their daughters. Their caresses too seldom pertain to these regions, while this is the only way the girls can develop a sense of pride in their sex," reads the booklet regarding 1-3 year olds. The authors rationalize, "The child touches all parts of their father’s body, sometimes arousing him. The father should do the same."

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/arc...7/jul/07073008

That is the kind of corruption I was referring to when I say a government can bring trouble to the whole of society.

My Lord. That is horrific.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Does the government have a right to tell you what you can do with your property?
Does the government have a right to tell you when you can drink alcoholic beverages?
Does the government have a right declaring some drugs illegal?
Does the government have a right to tell us we have to buy healthcare?
Does the government have a right to tell us who we can hire?

Come on, the same groups screaming that the government does not have a right to tell them they cannot get married are the first ones to try to use the government to enforce their agenda.

Not to veer off on a tangent, but what are your thoughts about abortion?

I sense a lot of "I support liberty", here.
But very little thought as to where this support will take us as a society.

Let's think about this for a minute, with just a small example.
Six "consenting" adults enter into a multiple partner marriage.
Children come into the marriage.
These six adults get a divorce.
How will you divide up the visitation and custodial rights?
As I said, this way leads to madness.

LOL. What's to keep 6 people from entering into a multiple partner union? NOTHING. What's to keep 2 homosexuals from entering into a gay relationship? NOTHING. We have never made such things illegal and should not. What we have failed to do is give people who choose to live such lifestyles legal protections for if they decide to leave that lifestyle. What's with many Christians acting like we are about to make such things legal when they used to be illegal? That's not the case at all. None of those things are/were illegal. So what's the big deal? Why does it matter so much to Christians if extra legal protection is added to such couples?

I'll tell you what bothers those kind of Christians: it's that laws adding such protections no longer allows such Christians to pretend America is a Christian nation. You see as long as there's no mention of legal protections for gays in the laws then that somehow makes America seem more Christian and they like that... at least that's my opinion.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by jfrog

LOL. What's to keep 6 people from entering into a multiple partner union? NOTHING. What's to keep 2 homosexuals from entering into a gay relationship? NOTHING. We have never made such things illegal and should not. What we have failed to do is give people who choose to live such lifestyles legal protections for if they decide to leave that lifestyle. What's with many Christians acting like we are about to make such things legal when they used to be illegal? That's not the case at all. None of those things are/were illegal. So what's the big deal? Why does it matter so much to Christians if extra legal protection is added to such couples?

I'll tell you what bothers those kind of Christians: it's that laws adding such protections no longer allows such Christians to pretend America is a Christian nation. You see as long as there's no mention of legal protections for gays in the laws then that somehow makes America seem more Christian and they like that... at least that's my opinion.

Those are some good points.

[aegsm76]

Originally Posted by jfrog

LOL. What's to keep 6 people from entering into a multiple partner union? NOTHING. What's to keep 2 homosexuals from entering into a gay relationship? NOTHING. We have never made such things illegal and should not. What we have failed to do is give people who choose to live such lifestyles legal protections for if they decide to leave that lifestyle. What's with many Christians acting like we are about to make such things legal when they used to be illegal? That's not the case at all. None of those things are/were illegal. So what's the big deal? Why does it matter so much to Christians if extra legal protection is added to such couples?

I'll tell you what bothers those kind of Christians: it's that laws adding such protections no longer allows such Christians to pretend America is a Christian nation. You see as long as there's no mention of legal protections for gays in the laws then that somehow makes America seem more Christian and they like that... at least that's my opinion.

Jf - if there is nothing preventing it now, then why the drumbeat to make it to be called legal marriage?
Let me answer it for you - approval.
The agenda is - tolerate us, then accept us, then approve us, then join us.
And there is always an implied "or else", behind each one of these.

[aegsm76]

And JF you are wrong with your comment that we have never made such things illegal.
Every state had laws prohibiting this.
Some still do.

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

And JF you are wrong with your comment that we have never made such things illegal.
Every state had laws prohibiting this.
Some still do.

prohibiting what?

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Jf - if there is nothing preventing it now, then why the drumbeat to make it to be called legal marriage?
Let me answer it for you - approval.
The agenda is - tolerate us, then accept us, then approve us, then join us.
And there is always an implied "or else", behind each one of these.

Do you honestly think saying gays can legally marry is going to make anyone approve of that lifestyle that didn't already?

I'll tell you the only perception their fight for marriage can change. It's the perception that gays are not looking to establish long term relationships with each other. If one opposses gay relationships because they think they are just things that never are long term then I can see him changing his opinion if they are allowed to marry. Barring those kind of people (who are sooo few and far between that I doubt their existence) I can't see that allowing gay marriage will change any perceptions that aren't already there.

[AncientPaths]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Jf - if there is nothing preventing it now, then why the drumbeat to make it to be called legal marriage?
Let me answer it for you - approval.
The agenda is - tolerate us, then accept us, then approve us, then join us.
And there is always an implied "or else", behind each one of these.

Join us? Because THAT'S what's stopping people from turning gay. Oh, good grief. Sorry. This is paranoia at it's worst. The drumbeat is an equal acknowledgement issue. Plain and simple.

[jfrog]

Maybe America would be a better place if Christians were actually persecuted!