If hell is the horrible place we believe it to be (most of us that is) then why would any of us seemingly revel in the idea that so many are going there?
You probably don't revel in or enjoy the idea Bro Epley, but you sure can come off like you get some kind of glee from the idea of literally 10s of millions of souls burning in hell over the trinity doctrine.
Personally, I am Oneness to the core, but I also recognize that greater theological minds than any of us here have wrestled over the Godhead issue for 20 centuries now and still have not dotted all the I's and crossed all the T's. I'm not willing to condemn folks over a doctrine MAN came up with in order to attempt to describe the person and make up of Eternal Almighty God.
If hell is horrible, it should be the destination for those who preach doctrines of men which result in the deaths of children due to lack of medical attention. I know of many so called, self labeled 'apostolics' who, due to the ungodly teaching of men, do not seek medical attention during childbirth resulting in the death of infants and sometimes the mother. Innocent children suffer because of the ignorant 'gospel' from the minds of ignorant men.
Are there 'apostolic ministers' participating on the forum which associate themselves, and fellowship, with such ungodliness and ignorance? Sadly, the answer is probably yes.
If when you say Jesus you are speaking of the Son born of Mary then His entire natural life but when you say Jesus He is the eternal God and the Son of man.
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Originally Posted by seekerman
Lordy, how many Jesus' are there anyway?
I'm speaking of this Jesus.....
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
How long do you believe that Jesus was in His Father?
I'm really not sure where you're getting your multiple Jesus theology from, but I'm simply asking how long was the Jesus of John 14:10-11 in His Father?
Which Jesus are you calling on for salvation anyway? The one where He was in His Father or the one where His Father was in Him?
If one doesn't keep the Sabbath as commanded in the Ten Commandments, they are not obeying the Lord's commandments... rather they've obeyed Acts 2:38 or not.
If I'm wrong PROVE from Scripture that the fourth commandment is no longer applicable while the other nine are.
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
The Sabbath is eternal and shall be observed in the New Heavens and the New Earth:
Isaiah 66:22-23
22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
Or, he's here to tell everyone how they're not following the true 'apostolic
way' so that he can then tell his ministerial friends that he doesn't compromise on the 'apostolic truth'.
To be fair, I see that in a lot of Christian sects, not just the so-called, self-labeled 'apostolic' ones.
(I Co 2:15) He that is spiritual judgeth all things
This scripture is taken out of context! And it is not a complete quote of the scripture either! I have seen too many times where people twist the scriptures, and pull them out of context trying to make a point.
I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.
It never says here that we are to judge the eternal security of someone's soul, but if we are spiritual we are to have the mind of Christ. We are to be able to walk in the spirit, and be taught spiritual things through the mind of Christ, but we are not called to judge the eternal resting place of someone's soul.
Therefore when I hear people condemning someone to hell, they usually use a scripture such as this one to take it out of context and use it to scare people (or their saints), into abiding by the standards they have set forth to make salvation complete - i.e. beards...
This scripture is taken out of context! And it is not a complete quote of the scripture either! I have seen too many times where people twist the scriptures, and pull them out of context trying to make a point.
I Cor 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16 For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ.
It never says here that we are to judge the eternal security of someone's soul, but if we are spiritual we are to have the mind of Christ. We are to be able to walk in the spirit, and be taught spiritual things through the mind of Christ, but we are not called to judge the eternal resting place of someone's soul.
Therefore when I hear people condemning someone to hell, they usually use a scripture such as this one to take it out of context and use it to scare people (or their saints), into abiding by the standards they have set forth to make salvation complete - i.e. beards...
Exactly!
This is the danger of taking snippets for scripture and trying to use them to support ideas.
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