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Old 01-09-2012, 01:15 PM
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Twisp, the point is that the books are out of print and the publisher has not chosen to make them available as an ebook. I feel I am morally in the clear by buying used hard copies of all of the books I downloaded the ebook files on. It is no different than buying a CD and transferring songs to your mp3 player to enjoy it in a different medium. I have legally purchased the books.
Legally, you are still infringing on his copyright. It makes no difference if he offers them in ebook format or not. That is his choice, as creator. Buying the books or planning to buy the books makes no difference either. It does not cover up or make the original copyright infringement null.

It is very different than buying a cd and ripping the songs. In that instance, you bought the product first, and then did with your purchase product as you wished.

In this instance, you infringed on the author's copyright first, and are trying to make up for it by buying the actual product at a later date.

Now, if you had purchased the book first and then scanned the pages onto your computer to make an ebook, that would be the same as buying a cd and then transferring the music off of it.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:27 PM
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Well CC1 I think you're probably going to hell! Just ask Elder Epley! lol j/k

I wonder if all of those who are condemning you are "clean as a baby's butt" on all of their downloads. I doubt it! :foot tap (What's wrong with all of the smilies? I didn't want the words foot tap, I wanted the foot tapping!)

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Well CC1 I think you're probably going to hell! Just ask Elder Epley! lol j/k

I wonder if all of those who are condemning you are "clean as a baby's butt" on all of their downloads. I doubt it! :foot tap (What's wrong with all of the smilies? I didn't want the words foot tap, I wanted the foot tapping!)

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Ya, I still have a few hundred tracks that I 'acquired' during Napster's original heyday. But... I am really making use of Amazon's DRM-free MP3 downloads.
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Old 01-09-2012, 01:32 PM
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Ya, I still have a few hundred tracks that I 'acquired' during Napster's original heyday. But... I am really making use of Amazon's DRM-free MP3 downloads.

Have you repented? I think that still works! Ask Elder Epley lol j/k

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Well CC1 I think you're probably going to hell! Just ask Elder Epley! lol j/k

I wonder if all of those who are condemning you are "clean as a baby's butt" on all of their downloads. I doubt it! (What's wrong with all of the smilies? I didn't want the words foot tap, I wanted the foot tapping!)

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There! I fixed your smiley for you.
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Well CC1 I think you're probably going to hell! Just ask Elder Epley! lol j/k

I wonder if all of those who are condemning you are "clean as a baby's butt" on all of their downloads. I doubt it! :foot tap (What's wrong with all of the smilies? I didn't want the words foot tap, I wanted the foot tapping!)

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Well, Timmy and I are the only one that said it was legally wrong, but we prefaced that by saying we were not commenting on the morality of it, so we should be good. And if you read my first post on this, I pretty much said I do it as well.

I think we all have our own personal morals, so it is hard to critique morality. I certainly don't want anyone commenting on my morals (or lack thereof, lol). It is not as hard to critique legality.
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There! I fixed your smiley for you.

AreYouReady, you are awesome. Now when I use it the next time will it work? Good to see you were "Ready" to help an illiterate poster!

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Re: Ethical / Moral Muddy Waters

Wouldnt' have bothered me to use your plan at all...
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Wouldnt' have bothered me to use your plan at all...
Seared conscience, eh?

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Re: Ethical / Moral Muddy Waters

I actually wasn't looking for approval or disapproval in this thread as I have already come to my conclusion but I was curious as to others views on this and was hoping folks would join in with examples of very different situations where they handled an ethical or moral matter in an unusual way.

The first part happened as some of you have shared your opinion of the scenario I posted about. Now some of you need to broaden it to other situatons!
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