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Old 01-20-2012, 11:55 AM
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I don't think that's fair, so to avoid confusion, I'd like to illustrate "lack of understanding" a bit, which it is often the proxy for confusion when a contradiction is perceived:

"The day of a man's death is better than the day of his birth."

Lazarus and the rich man both die, and go wherever you think that they went-one to eternal bliss, and the other to unspeakable, gasping horror. While it may be easy for us to understand how the day of Lazarus' death might be deemed better than the day of his birth, how can we reconcile this Scripture to the..."fate" of the rich man?

Just to eliminate any confusion.
Thanks for adding more confusion.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:05 PM
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Then none of your assumptions have yet been altered, and I have not edified you.

To Lafon, amen. See that in this parable of the afterlife, we take from it the unspeakable horror of "burning," that God our Father might stick a match under various parts of your...your what? body? See the fire as a metaphor for what GOD cares about, that you will be burning and thirsty for lack of knowledge, which might sound like a reprieve of some sort to a human, but
is actually more painful, fire is not really even a strong enough metaphor, in a sense, lol.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:09 PM
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You mean, Jesus's point was that the righteous will be comfortable when they die, and not that the unrighteous will not be? And you glean this from recognizing that He was talking to Pharisees?
Why do you say "righteous, unrighteous?" Note neither one of these men has been represented to you as saved or lost...a clue to the poor translation...
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:17 PM
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Re: How Can This Be?

Be, am, is, are, was, were, been, being, become, look, seem, and appear...and your five senses?
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:22 PM
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Why do you say "righteous, unrighteous?" Note neither one of these men has been represented to you as saved or lost...a clue to the poor translation...
Lafon used those words. Man, you must have trouble keeping straight who to agree with and disagree with!
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:39 PM
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Thanks for adding more confusion.
I am sorry; I see I'm maybe behind here, I'll try to catch up tonite.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:53 PM
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Lafon used those words. Man, you must have trouble keeping straight who to agree with and disagree with!
Ah, I haven't read that yet, lol. I'll get caught up here tonite, and I'd like to address that later, if you like, as it is central to the point here in a way. There is the literal truth, and then there is the truth, which is what generates all the seeming "contradictions."

However, I came here because I couldn't find "HMH," another strange idea, and persecution not of the bamboo-under-fingernails variety, but the kind we give/receive every day; I would like to submit that Tongues, Serpent Seed, HMH, or any weird insight I or you might post, often contains a grain of truth that has been purposely confused because it contains a grain of truth that satan wishes to remain obscured, and that if you just go back to the beginning of the story (hey, just like the Bible, you have to go to the MSS...), the bit of truth will often become more apparent; and interrogate the spirit, if needed, rather than toss baby with bathwater, as satan hopes. The path to illumination, walking on water, etc. has to be accomplished with God's sense, which we can only grope for, and will sound like nonsense to you.
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Old 01-20-2012, 03:18 PM
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well, if you already understand how the day of the rich man's death could be better than his birth, you have missed nothing.
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Old 01-20-2012, 03:22 PM
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ha, or maybe i misunderstood your laughter, as I was on the run, lol.
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Be, am, is, are, was, were, been, being, become, look, seem, and appear...and your five senses?
Ah, we are trying to translate the experience of the last into the language of the first here, and I am trying to illuminate that people hear "stay here for the present" in different ways...
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