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Originally Posted by Hoovie
Your point is noted. However, I did not infer that there weren't many conservatives and ultra conservatives in the UPC in the past 65 years. I would not only agree with that, but also think there were times when they were in the majority.
This does not negate the fact that men were elected into UPC office, even General Superintendent, who did not hold hard-line positions on things like jewelry and cut hair on women, not to even mention contrasting views of what constitutes the New Birth.
This speaks of tolerance we don't see today - in spite of the fact (as you accurately pointed out) many conservatives have now left the UPC.
For what it's worth your bias is showing when you state, "worldiness was permitted"...
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Who was a General Sup that did not hold a hard-line on those positions. Even the late Rev Kenneth Haney held a hard line on those positions. And he was considered Liberal on the UC's.
Rev Haney just believed in a different application of that. You do not run people off just because they will not submit to your view of a standard.
I put this out there, if you do not have people in your church with TV's, Rings, Tattoos, Cut Hair, pant wearing women, etc. Then you are not reaching the lost. Teaching like that needs to be done on a personal level, not blasted over the platform in a boasting manner.
Also, a conviction for one pastor may not be the same for another. Why, because that may not be a spirit that he, or his church is fighting. But believe you me, when you live here in California where the spirit of Homosexuality is rampant (even in our churches) you have to take a stand and say "This line will not be crossed!"
You have to learn to discern what is Bible Foundation, what is a Pastors Conviction, and what is your own conviction.
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