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Originally Posted by NorCal
Who was a General Sup that did not hold a hard-line on those positions. Even the late Rev Kenneth Haney held a hard line on those positions. And he was considered Liberal on the UC's.
Rev Haney just believed in a different application of that. You do not run people off just because they will not submit to your view of a standard.
I put this out there, if you do not have people in your church with TV's, Rings, Tattoos, Cut Hair, pant wearing women, etc. Then you are not reaching the lost. Teaching like that needs to be done on a personal level, not blasted over the platform in a boasting manner.
Also, a conviction for one pastor may not be the same for another. Why, because that may not be a spirit that he, or his church is fighting. But believe you me, when you live here in California where the spirit of Homosexuality is rampant (even in our churches) you have to take a stand and say "This line will not be crossed!"
You have to learn to discern what is Bible Foundation, what is a Pastors Conviction, and what is your own conviction.
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No offense to you Norcal, but the idea of Pastoral conviction is hogwash. Where in the NT does the scripture give a precedent for it? Where does scripture teach that a single man has a right to load his own convictions on everyone else?
Paul certainly didn't. He made it clear what was his own opinion and what was not. And when it was just his own opinion, the saints weren't bound to follow it or be considered sinful and rebellious.
Teach people how to love God and follow their own convictions, don't just heap your own issues and problems on all the church.
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