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Old 02-06-2012, 01:44 PM
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If one does not witness for Christ he will be lost. Jesus said if anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this sinful and adulterous generation the son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of the Father with his holy angels.
Amen. It now only remains for oneself to define "witness," which many would have you believe might be asking strangers if they know the Lord?
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:50 PM
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If one does not witness for Christ he will be lost. Jesus said if anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this sinful and adulterous generation the son of man will be ashamed of him when he comes in the glory of the Father with his holy angels.
What exactly is witnessing to you? I'm asking 'you' but I am really asking anyone who wants to answer. Is it being that guy who invited every single person they run into throughout the week to church? Is it indeed simply 'inviting people to church'? That what I grew up thinking it was and since I do not have the type of bold personality befitting a top sales person for AMWAY I always stunk at it, and thus assumed to be on the razors edge of being hell bound.

Is merely supporting those who routinely invite people to church good enough in the case of someone who does not have that loud, old "go get em!" demeanor?
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:51 PM
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Reality is closer aligned to our perceptions than to our dogmatically held beliefs, as handed down and proclaimed "true".
Well, they can be, amen. You have been advised that there will be a counterfeit, and you have seen it.

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The second? About us taking on the role of satan? Your point is self-evident? No. It's not. It's an assertion, with no evidence given. I think I know what "evidence" you may offer, but that is also nothing but assertion. But, I'm willing to be corrected.
I'd just as soon not go down this road too far; it ends up being a semantics discussion. In the end we either emulate satan or Christ, in our next decision, would you agree there?
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We are to witness concerning Jesus Christ. I have never just invited someone to go to Church.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:56 PM
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Well, they can be, amen. You have been advised that there will be a counterfeit, and you have seen it.
Not sure what you mean. To clarify what I meant: our perceptions usually are more reliable in determining what really is real than some beliefs we formed by decree. Believe that "x" is true, because you have to. Or else!

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I'd just as soon not go down this road too far; it ends up being a semantics discussion. In the end we either emulate satan or Christ, in our next decision, would you agree there?
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I misread this, the first time, I'm sorry.

How are you hurt by me in this thread?
Well, it's one thing to provoke others to examine their belief system. I think we all do that with one another. I think we can do that with respect for one another’s viewpoints also.

It could be just me; I'm a bit sensitive as you know.

But it seems to me that the "Friends" part of "AFF" is disintegrating to the point that we are not accomplishing anything in the way of friendship, edification, enlightening each other, ect.

I feel like you don't respect those of us who profess to be Christians, and realizing this dissapoints me.

Maybe my time here is just coming to and end and for some reason I'm having a hard time letting go of it.
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Old 02-06-2012, 02:06 PM
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Well, Amanah, I would hate to see you leave. You are a great witness!
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What exactly is witnessing to you? I'm asking 'you' but I am really asking anyone who wants to answer. Is it being that guy who invited every single person they run into throughout the week to church? Is it indeed simply 'inviting people to church'? That what I grew up thinking it was and since I do not have the type of bold personality befitting a top sales person for AMWAY I always stunk at it, and thus assumed to be on the razors edge of being hell bound.

Is merely supporting those who routinely invite people to church good enough in the case of someone who does not have that loud, old "go get em!" demeanor?
Ya, is this "witnessing?" Or is it possible that, omg, the people I learned witnessing from just got it from the Jehovah's Witnesses? Is it possible that witnessing has nothing to do with getting people into the local church?

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Old 02-06-2012, 02:10 PM
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Well, it's one thing to provoke others to examine their belief system. I think we all do that with one another. I think we can do that with respect for one another’s viewpoints also.

It could be just me; I'm a bit sensitive as you know.

But it seems to me that the "Friends" part of "AFF" is disintegrating to the point that we are not accomplishing anything in the way of friendship, edification, enlightening each other, ect.

I feel like you don't respect those of us who profess to be Christians, and realizing this dissapoints me.

Maybe my time here is just coming to and end and for some reason I'm having a hard time letting go of it.
If you wouldn't mind, could you point out some specific things in this thread that offended you? I realize some of my posts lately have been a bit more blunt than usual, and I apologize for that.

I know what you mean about letting go. I tried to leave AFF once or twice before, but couldn't help but come back, after a while.
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What exactly is witnessing to you? I'm asking 'you' but I am really asking anyone who wants to answer. Is it being that guy who invited every single person they run into throughout the week to church? Is it indeed simply 'inviting people to church'? That what I grew up thinking it was and since I do not have the type of bold personality befitting a top sales person for AMWAY I always stunk at it, and thus assumed to be on the razors edge of being hell bound.

Is merely supporting those who routinely invite people to church good enough in the case of someone who does not have that loud, old "go get em!" demeanor?
I'll start. For me my 'witness' is my life not words. I try to live in a way that is real to those around me in the workplace, in my farm business and in my community. The life of one who goes the distance and more even when others give up, who loves others even those who are often considered unloveable. And I want it to be known that the reason for this is God in me and not me personally.

When one does this even marginally it brings questions from those around. I am considered 'different' on my job. Not untouchable or stuck up but also not someone who can be sucked in to whatever discontent is going on in the moment. When those I am close to here (and that is all 50 other employees)have a problem they will often come into my office, close the door and ask for help of some kind or for prayer. These moments are an opertunity to share WHO is really our help and how to reach Him. Of course my POV about details is not important in those moments... simply getting them in touch with the God of the universe is And to me THAT is being a witness.

I am but one small person but there are many of me and we grow others like us every day.... and God smiles.
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BTW, I can't recall any recent lashing out, other than in reaction to some things like being called "satan", and being told, basically, that my brother dying was a good thing. But maybe I have blinders on? Have I lashed out at anyone else?
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