Denying the Lord and still Saved?

[houston]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

I see you are still here with these people that you seem to disapprove of... So after that comment ... tell us please, and not in the one liner or half-liner that you usually use...

What is it you believe is necessary to be saved Houston?

Naw. The REAL question is, who then can be lost?

[bbyrd009]

Well, but "who then can be lost, IF..." might get us on the same page, anyway...

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by houston

Naw. The REAL question is, who then can be lost?

Always questions H... howz about an answer?????

BTW... did you ever find a church to visit?

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

A lot of people in the Bible lied too. But Corrie did not deny Jesus. She prayed for protection and ministered to her fellow prisoners openly using her bible in front of the guards. Bible study was prohibited as well as the bible. She prayed for God to allow her to keep the Word.

The point is, she lied. The same goes for a man denying the Lord that doesn't mean it (a lie). And, the lie accomplishes the same thing in both events; people were protected from the brutality of evil doers because a lie was used to manipulate them.

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by houston

Naw. The REAL question is, who then can be lost?

Anyone who sets Grace down. Everyone. Well, everyone who is not "poor in spirit?"

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

The point is, she lied. The same goes for a man denying the Lord that doesn't mean it (a lie). And, the lie accomplishes the same thing in both events; people were protected from the brutality of evil doers because a lie was used to manipulate them.

I see your point. I am still contemplating on where I stand on this issue. Humans want to polarize everything...it's either black or white. Day or night. Sweet or sour. Right or left.

I believe that we have a merciful God who knows just how much we can stand. Why was Peter crucified upside down? (So it is said) Paul beheaded, and James, the brother of John was killed with the sword. Yet it is believed that John was the only Apostle to not die a violent death.

I am reminded that the events in our life are God ordained (for those who walk in faith). Whatever happens to us, happens for a reason, that either for our own spiritual growth or to give God glory.

Perhaps Stephen did not feel the rocks that were hurled at him to his death?
Perhaps Paul's spirit was called out of his body up to the heavens before the blade came down on his neck? I don't know. But I have got to believe that our merciful God has some sort of protecting hand either from the pain or from the event itself.

However, most of the prophets in the Bible were killed, tortured, humiliated etc. What makes American Christians think that we are so special that we will not be martyred for the sake of Christ?

Wouldn't lying to get out of it be a way to avoid taking a stand for the belief that Jesus is Lord?

[bbyrd009]

Originally Posted by houston

AFF, where you can do EVERY and ANY thing and still be saved.

That just ignores the point there? I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't think I would deny Christ for torture. I doubt T2W would either.

[Titus2woman]

Originally Posted by bbyrd009

That just ignores the point there? I mean, don't get me wrong, I don't think I would deny Christ for torture. I doubt T2W would either.

If I did not you can be assured that it would be because God provided me the strength to withstand. And this is at the heart of the matter for me, I simply believe that God will always equip me for my mission, easy or hard.

[bbyrd009]

Amen.

The vision I get here is that if you were bringing the fight to them, in a sense, any torture they can dish out is negligible. And if you were huddled in a proverbial hole, cowering in fear, why are we even discussing you.

[NotforSale]

Originally Posted by Titus2woman

If I did not you can be assured that it would be because God provided me the strength to withstand. And this is at the heart of the matter for me, I simply believe that God will always equip me for my mission, easy or hard.

T2W, most people make the same statement you make before they get married (And this is at the heart of the matter for me, I simply believe that God will always equip me for my mission, easy or hard).

The divorce rate in Christianity, which includes Apostolics, is just as high as mainstream Society. Even dedicated Christians fail in their promises, especially when times get tough.

We can step out on our "Mission" with great intention and hope, but when the walls crumble to the ground, even we can fall apart with grief, despising the day of our birth like Job did.